Transcript of meeting #3 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.

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On the agenda

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Members Present
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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Good morning. Can we start with the proceedings for today. We will start with a prayer.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Oh Lord we thank you for this day. Guide us in our deliberation. Protect those back home, those out on the land, those in the workplace. We thank you for giving us life. We ask this in your name. Amen.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Territorial Leadership Committee. As you are all aware, we are here today to select one of our Members to become the Premier of the Northwest Territories and subsequently to ensure a full complement of Members of the Executive Council.

I would like to briefly outline the process we will use for the election of the Premier. I will begin by calling for nominations from the floor and ascertaining whether or not the Member accepts or declines the nomination.

Candidates for Premier will be permitted 30 minutes to make a speech. When all candidates have spoken, every Member will be allowed to ask two questions to each candidate.

Once the question period is concluded, the committee will commence voting. Members will receive their ballots at the Clerk's table and vote in the booths on either side of the Speaker's chair.

I will vote after all Members have voted.

Members should refer to the procedures documents on your desks for further details on this process. In addition, you will find nomination forms for the Premier.

With that, I will begin the process by calling for nominations from the floor for the position of Premier of the Northwest Territories and good luck. Mr. Miltenberger.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Nomination for Premier

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I would like to nominate Jim Antoine.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nahendeh, do you accept the nomination?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I wish to nominate Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Member for Sahtu, for the position of Premier.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Sahtu, do you accept the nomination? Mr. Kakfwi.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Further nominations for Premier. Mr. Ng.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Mr. Chairman, I move that nominations cease.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

There is a motion for nominations to cease. The motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. The nominations cease. We have two nominations. We have Mr. Antoine. We have Mr. Kakfwi. We will allow each candidate 30 minutes to make their remarks. We will start in alphabetical order with Mr. Antoine. Mr. Antoine.

Remarks by Premier Candidates

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, elders, my honourable fellow colleagues here in the 13th Legislative Assembly, ladies and gentleman in the gallery and the people of the Northwest Territories. It is a great honour today and a privilege to address you today as I put my name forward for the Premier of the Northwest Territories. I would like to thank the honourable Member from Thebacha, Mr. Mike Miltenberger, for nominating me for this important position of trust. I would like to recognize my family, Mr. Chairman: my wife Celine, my son Denezeh, my daughter Melaw, my two other sons, Sachey and Tumbah, for their understanding and support as I continue on this political path that I have chosen and that I am on now.

Mr. Chairman, this is an unfortunate opportunity today coming after a lengthy, very painful process of the Conflict of Interest Commission and the report. I would like to mention that the honourable Member from Tu Nedhe, Mr. Don Morin, resigned as result of that and I commend him for the courage in taking that decision. Mr. Chairman, I want to speak in my own language.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The reason I put my name forward for government leader, this is a big responsibility.

Mr. Chairman, my life has been an incredible journey and a learning experience. Earlier on I learned important lessons from my parents, my relatives and elders at our traditional camps along the Deh Cho at a place called Rabbitskin River. Their lessons of respect, trust, tolerance, patience and a willingness to work cooperatively to achieve common goals will undoubtedly help me as Premier if I am elected.

I began my political career serving the people of Liidli Kue as a chief of the Liidli Kue First Nation. I have been privileged to serve as the MLA for the Nahendeh in this Legislative Assembly for two terms of office. As MLA I have been pleased to serve as chairman of the Standing Committee of Finance, as co-chair of the Constitutional Working Group and as Minister of Transportation, Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Minister of Public Works and Services. I feel a strong responsibility to continue putting my experience to good use, Mr. Chairman. To help improve the lives of all northerners. What do northerners want and expect most from us? I believe, Mr. Chairman, that they want honesty, accountability and stability at this time. Together we must restore public confidence here in the Legislative Assembly and get back to work. Back to the issues that affect the daily lives and future of our constituents, the people of the Northwest Territories who put us here.

A great deal of work remains to be done leading up to April 1st to ensure a smooth transition to both territories. I remain committed to working with all Members of this Assembly to complete the task in a fair and practical manner. For myself, Mr. Chairman, division is both an exciting and somewhat sad time. While I am excited about working on the many challenges leading up to and after April 1st, it is with a sense of sadness that I say goodbye to my Nunavut colleagues and the wisdom that they have brought here to the Legislative Assembly.

--Applause

As my Nunavut colleagues look to the future in their reality of Nunavut, they will be setting their own priorities and agenda. I hope the first Legislative Assembly of Nunavut has the opportunity to benefit from the commitment and hard work they have brought here to this Assembly. Mr. Chairman, simply because the people in Nunavut and the NWT will live in two territories cannot take away from our shared history and the many similar challenges we face. That is why it is important that the people of both territories continue to work together for the common interest of all northerners. I am committed to this.

To my western colleagues, I say let us take up the unique opportunity to shape the new territory and to reflect who we are. As we turn our attention to the future, we must take a course that meets the interests and needs of all people and creates a better quality of life for all northerners. In taking this course, we must recognize that our first responsibility is to our children. They represent the very foundation of our future. I am committed to ensuring that northern youths are afforded every opportunity to realize their personal potential. I am determined to create the kind of future for all our children that will enable them to find good jobs, raise healthy, productive families and become leaders within their own communities.

I believe all political leaders must be responsible to act as good role models for northern youth. We have a responsibility to listen to the people we represent. Our elders tell us to work together to build a healthier northern society, to focus on our common goals and to respect our differences. As we turn our attention to the agenda of the Western Territory, the groundwork has been laid by the Legislative Assembly to deal with the critical issues that we face. Westerners, for the first time, we have the opportunity to not only have the say, but to a play a central part in shaping a new government system for the new Western Territory. To seize this opportunity, we need to participate in the implementation of aboriginal rights negotiations and the development of the constitution of the western Northwest Territories.

Mr. Chairman, I am confident that we will all benefit by ensuring aboriginal people participate in their rightful place in the political and economic future of the north. Many Members have talked about the enormous economic potential of our resources. We need to develop this potential in a way that provides the greatest economic benefit for northerners and ensures the protection of our fragile northern economy and our fragile northern environment, as well. To realize these benefits, northerners must be in control of decisions concerning the development of their interest. This means, Mr. Chairman, not only controlling the pace of development, but ensuring that we have a greater share of taxes and resource revenues that accrue from development. These revenues are essential, Mr. Chairman, if we are to maintain current services for our people and make needed investments in the future.

Mr. Chairman, I am convinced that we can only do this if we dedicate our efforts to negotiate with Ottawa, in partnership with aboriginal governments and to realize greater self-reliance for all northerners. We are at the pivotal point in the north's history, an exciting and challenging time that presents unprecedented opportunities. My overriding goal is to play an instrumental role in creating two strong and stable governments that contribute to the Canadian federation as we move into the next century. The people of Nunavut will take firm control of their own affairs on April 1st, 1999. I am confident that Nunavut will assume a prominent role in the Canadian federation as well. The new Northwest Territories is equally poised to seize all available opportunities.

Together, Mr. Chairman, the two new territories will demonstrate to the rest of Canada that we can competently manage our own affairs and contribute meaningfully to the Canadian federation. This has been, and remains, my goal as a Member of this Legislative Assembly. It is a goal, I am convinced, we can achieve if we work together, Mr. Chairman, shoulder to shoulder here in the Legislative Assembly, serving the needs of our constituents. Whatever the outcome of this election, we must not lose sight of the fact that at the end of the day, we are all here to serve the people of the Northwest Territories. Whether you select me, or my honourable colleague, I am committed to working closely and cooperatively with all the MLAs here in this Legislative Assembly so that we could leave a legacy for which the people of the Northwest Territories can look at and be proud of.

With that, I would like to say thank you. Mahsi cho, Mr. Chairman.

--Applause

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

The Member for Sahtu, Mr. Kakfwi. You have 30 minutes. You have the floor.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mahsi. (Translation) Thank you. Before I speak to you, I want to say something to my constituents in the Sahtu region. Perhaps, today you hear what I am saying, perhaps you see me. I have been working for you for a long time. I am in this position because you people have voted me in here. In the recent past, a lot of people, the non-natives, the Inuit, the Metis and the Dene people have talked. Many of them requested that I put my name forward. Because this was said to me, I could not refuse them. For the past two weeks, because it is your will, you support me; I have told you that I will put my name forward for the Premiership and no matter what happens here, I will still continue to work for the people. Whether I win or if I lose, it does not matter. I just want to say thank you to all you people in the Sahtu. I am also from the Sahtu region. Whenever people request your services, you have to obey what is being asked of you and that is the reason I am putting my name forward. (Translation ends.)

I must say that this is probably one of the more difficult things that I do in public life. I have done this on a number of occasions and it is a very difficult part of our life as elected leaders. As you know, Jim Antoine has been with me, I have been with him since high school, back in the 60s. We have been together formulating our thinking, working with other Dene leaders since 1974. Today, both of us put our names forward. Some time ago, Jim and I agreed that whatever we do, we would do it together. I think both of us had no idea this is what we actually meant.

--Laughter/Applause

Both of us have been taught by our elders and by the more elderly than the chiefs, through the 70s and 80s. We have been schooled in Dene politics and the numerous assemblies and community meetings that we have been to. Always we sit here, beside each other, advising each other on how to conduct ourselves from day to day. I think you all see that. Anyway, somehow we have decided we are going to go through this together and you will get the benefit of choosing one of us. At the end, you will still have both of us in your service. I think that is extremely comforting for all of you because I think we can demonstrate how really people should work together. We will walk out of this together, no matter what happens.

The last two weeks have been extremely difficult, I think, for every one of us. There is not one of us in this Assembly that wanted the events to unfold the way they did, but they have and the people of the north have looked to us to deal with the very, very difficult decisions that we have had to make. The motion that was passed a few days ago was, in part, formulated by myself in discussions with my colleagues, and some of you on the other side. I think we have demonstrated to the people that if we have stumbled, we know how to catch ourselves, regain our feet, regain our stride and to continue without hesitation to get on with the work that we have to do. That is what that motion indicated to me. That is what that motion was formulated on.

Today, you are faced with another decision. I like to think that it is not so difficult but then that is for you to decide. I believe that our government and this Assembly is looked upon by the people all across the north, from Baffin to the Beaufort, from Fort Smith to Hall Beach. Every one of our communities is looking to us to demonstrate that we know the work that we have to do and we will show them some sign that we are going to renew our commitment to finish the work that needs to be done. I think there is a tremendous amount that needs to be done.

The very first sign, the very first signal that we will give them, will begin this morning with the election of a new Premier. I hope it will also include confirmation of a new mandate for a Premier, a mandate that will help to restore the public confidence that the people want to have in this Assembly, in this Cabinet, in the civil service, the administration and the way that we conduct ourselves. I think we will give them that.

I think we need a Premier who has shown commitment to work in the interests of people of Nunavut and the western Northwest Territories. Although we are together only for a few more months, we, in fact, will be working for the people of Nunavut for a few years to come. We will be neighbours, we will be contracting many services to the people of Nunavut, helping them to establish a brand new government, a new start. We have to demonstrate that we will be there for them, not only now, not only in the next few months, but the next few years. We need a Premier who has the experience and the confidence to make a quick transition, get in to the job this afternoon, tomorrow morning. There is no time for orientation. There is barely enough time to put together a plan on how to make maximum use of the rest of this month, the months of January, February, March.

We need a Premier who can make the best use of the Ministers that we have on Cabinet today, who can call on experienced, competent senior managers to carry out the work that we give clear direction to. We need a Premier who has the respect and the profile to deal with the various aboriginal organizations across the Northwest Territories, who has worked on the various claims, self-government agreements, who is in support of treaty land entitlement negotiations, and who has solid background and knowledge of the various agreements, self-government negotiations, political and constitutional issues. We need a Premier who can give assurance to aboriginal and non-aboriginal residents of the Northwest Territories that each and everyone of them will be treated fairly, represented fairly and that will ensure the conduct of the government and the Cabinet will be balanced; will be fair and equitable.

We need a Premier who has extensive national and international experience in dealing with issues that are of importance to the people here in the Northwest Territories; a

Premier who can deal with provincial governments, federal government, Ministers, national aboriginal leaders; and a Premier who is familiar with the workings of Ottawa, provincial governments and the various institutions that we have to deal with nationally and internationally. We need a Premier who the public can have confidence in to work to restore confidence that our government will operate according to the policies and standards that we have all set for ourselves. Those are the qualifications, I believe, that the public and ourselves are looking for in the candidates.

I want to say a little bit about myself. I have worked with the Dene Nation, as I have said, for many, many years. I spent four years as president of the Dene Nation. Every one of them was a volatile, dynamic organization in the history of the north. I worked with 26 chiefs and subchiefs for four years on a consensus basis. In the four years that I was president there was not one chief, one subchief who ever walked out of the leadership meetings. Those of you who may think that I cannot work with everyone should look to that as a demonstration of my capabilities. I have had many disagreements with chiefs, MLAs and Ministers over the years. I have always said I have never stopped talking to anyone, I have never discarded anyone. The difficulties, the animosities, they pass every time. You just have to wait it out and wait for the good side of everyone to come through. I have been through residential school, the abuse was there. We talked about the media and the difficulty of being in a public light all the time. I understand my colleagues who speak about the tremendous pain and isolation that our families, our children, our wives suffer because of the media. I have accepted that all my life.

Because I choose to live a public life, I know that no matter what the media does to me I get paid very well for what I do. My constituents, many of them, make less than $10,000 a year. I think that just about anyone of them would say, Steve, for the kind of money you make I would be glad to take the media pain and afflictions that they put on you everyday. I understand both of it. Yet, those of you that have never served in high public office will never really know and appreciate the difficulties that our families, children, loved ones have to face.

I have worked with the Inuit leaders since the 70s and am proud of the relationship that I have developed with them. Nellie Cournoyea, John Amagoalik, Kusugak and Tagak Curley, these are people to this day that I still maintain a relationship with. They are not born out of trivial little projects, they are born out of years of hard work, working together, believing in the same things. I worked with the Inuit leaders to finalize the boundary between Nunavut territory and ours. I have gone to the point of supporting the Inuit in the final boundary, even though it meant going against some of my own chiefs. That has cost me to this day. There are still chiefs and Dene leaders who have not forgiven me for that. I believe that I did what was necessary to conclude the negotiations to get on with the creation of something that I thought all of us needed, the creation of Nunavut. The creation of a dream that the Inuit had that some of us Dene leaders also believed in. I am very proud of that and it is why some of the Inuit leaders have accorded me the respect of inviting me as a private citizen, as a Dene leader to attend the ceremonies in Iqaluit on April 1st. I want you to know people of Nunavut, Inuit leaders, that I will always continue to be a friend, that even though you will be leaving in April and setting up your own government, my support for Nunavut, my support for you, will be just as strong as it was in 1981 and all the years since then I will always be here for you.

--Applause

I have had a lot of work experience at the community level. I come from Fort Good Hope, born on a trapline. I know what it is to be hungry, to be homeless, but these are things that I have chosen not to dwell on because there are a lot of exciting things to be done, beautiful things to realize. That is what I set out to work on all my life. Last year, I was away from my home 110 days. Half of the weekends I was away. Hard work, long hours are not things that I am not familiar with. These are the things that I do. This is the price that I pay, my children, my wife. That is part of my life. I do not complain about it and I know that if I am elected Premier I will be seeking to assume additional portfolios to help share the workload because I have seen how hard my fellow Ministers have been working the last three years. I would want to help and do what I can.

In my years as a Minister, particularly as a Minister of Education, I tried to reach every community in the Northwest Territories. I did not make it, but in my mind, to this day, I can see the communities in the Baffin; I can see the communities in the Kitikmeot; I can see the Keewatin. These are clear pictures that I carry with me to this day because I wanted to see. I did not want statistics, briefing notes from Pangnirtung, or Pond Inlet, or Hall Beach, or Cape Dorset. I wanted to see for myself. We blitzed the Inuit communities. I have been there and I can see that, in my mind. I was to Mr. Ningark's country, I spoke to his elders in Dene, made history. It was the first time anybody spoke Dene in that part of the world. Ten minutes in Dene spoken to the Inuit elders in the present of Mr. Ningark. We have interesting little things that we do, you know in the course of our lives and things that we find out about one another.

Mr. Arlooktoo's father, Joe Arlooktoo, served with us in this House, and one day he said, my father is buried in your home town. I want to see where my father is buried. We took Mr. Arlooktoo to my home town and introduced him to the elders who knew his father and showed him the burial site of his father. Mr. Ludy Pudluk, who served in this House for years told my one day that his grandfather was buried in Fort Good Hope. He too wanted to see the burial site of his grandfather. I took him to Fort Good Hope and introduced him to some of my uncles who knew his grandfather and they took an evening to tell him stories, to give him some idea of who this man was. They even sang him a song in French, something that he had not heard since the 1920s, amazing recollection of the elders.

That are my connections. There are little stories that you can tell about all the different things that we have done over the years. I only point them out to illustrate that mine is a very varied history. I worked on gun control legislation a number of years ago. I went to work on that for every one of us, because we all hunt and we all depend on the food from our land, whether we are Inuit, Dene, Metis or just northerners. We took on Mr. Allan Rock for a year and beat on him mercilessly. We did not win the fight, but Mr. Allan Rock has never been the same since.

--Applause

Yesterday, I did a media interview and I said, this is a Dene job. I want you to know what I meant was that it is less then a year to go and it is difficult to find a renewed mandate. It is difficult to imagine why anyone would want a situation where we would have to be selecting a new Premier at this time in our term. I do not want you to doubt my determination to serve you as a Premier, if that is what you choose, the best I can.

I told my constituency that I am going to seek re-election again in the next term. I thought about it for a long time and have decided that I still have the energy and passion to keep working. My family is still with me, supporting me. That is what I will do. I do not think this job should be a caretaker position. I think we need to finish the work as Mr. Todd and some of us have said: on devolution, on getting a new fiscal relationship with Ottawa, with getting a new economic strategy in place and with getting more responsibility and fiscal autonomy. I want to make sure that as a Premier, we will treat every one of you with the respect that you deserve in responding to your questions. I want to do that. I want to make sure that a Cabinet and FMB agenda will include a mandatory item, do any of you have a conflict of interest to declare in the course of our meetings. It would be mandatory for the Chairman to ask.

We need a mandate to continue working on the transition to two new territories and to continue working on a new economic strategy for the Western Territory to ensure that small communities get the necessary support to develop an economic base for tourism and the renewable resource sector. We want to work on restoring confidence in the civil service, work on the morale and give them the assurance that we are going to work on giving them clear direction on the things that they need to do.

There are many, many things that can be and should be done. Mostly it will be done in close consultation with Members of the Cabinet, with yourselves as Members of the Legislature and we will need to do that with leaders from right across the territories. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you for giving me the comfort of not cutting you off. The presentations by the two candidates for Premier are now concluded. If you look at your Premier selection process, following the speeches it is permitted to question the candidates for Premier. Each Member is allowed two questions to each candidate. The floor is open now for questions. We will go by whoever raises their hand. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just to get the process down correctly, at this time do I have an opportunity to ask two questions to Mr. Antoine and then two questions to Mr. Kakfwi or just one at a time or how does that work? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

It is up to you, Mr. Picco, or you can ask two questions of each candidate.

Accountability to the Northwest Territories

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my first two questions are for Mr. Antoine. Mr. Antoine, how will you help, as new leader, bring accountability to the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, I would like to ask the Members to observe the question so we do not repeat the same questions. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the government has existing guidelines and policies that are there. I think they are there are if we follow them right to the letter, I think that is the way to approach it for the time being. However, if there are grey areas in the policies and the regulations on how to conduct government, especially the Ministers and senior bureaucrats, then that has to be looked at. I think there are a lot of concerns as a result of the Conflict of Interest Commission Report that came out that really looks at how government gets done. I think from there, there are all kinds of different areas where we have to really closely look at and scrutinize these existing policies and regulations. I think we have already said that we are going to do that. There is a deputy ministers' committee set up to do that. Again to recap, by following the regulations and policies that are there and at the same time looking at them again for more clarification. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Picco.

Nunavut and Western Arctic Relationship