This is page numbers 49 - 72 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Just on the process here. It seems to me that there was some general agreement that in the new planning process and in sort of delaying the budget, it was to give Members a more equal opportunity to feed into the development of a capital plan. As a cabinet the direction is given to us. It seems to me that there is a question as to the reason this is put on the floor. For some reason the honourable Member does not feel that the SCOF process is going to work for him, so he feels he wants to circumvent that process in dealing with his issue. And the reason he is putting the motion on the floor is, he wants to aim to the two year review to see whether his project is going to be considered and then he will make a determination.

But then again, is that also saying that every other Member should be putting all their motions for all their capital projects on the floor as well, and circumvent all the process that comes around in terms of the communities, the planning and the assessments that are done in terms of regional need. It seems to me it is placing an unfair advantage on the other people who are going to use the process for determining where their capital requirements are. In any event, it is an observation.

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Henry Zoe North Slave

Point of order.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Point of order. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Speaker, the motion clearly states to move the community centre in Kakisa up to the 1992-93 fiscal year. I do not know why the Minister is making comments in terms of the process that does not pertain to the motion itself.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

I am speaking to your motion, what you stated when you were addressing it.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

That is not a point of order. It is up to the Chair to keep Members to the debate. I was allowing Ms. Cournoyea a little latitude to explain some concerns the government had with the motion. If she continued along that particular course I was going to make a point that she probably should be a bit more concise in talking to the motion specifically. But it is not a point of order. Continue, Ms. Cournoyea.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the motion had the argument that was placed by the honourable Member and I was placing my concern as the group of people that have been referred to, how do we deal with addressing the recommendations to the cabinet for the particular concern. Because it was my understanding that in the process everyone has to move into it and these motions would circumvent the other process other Members are using and that would necessarily give a higher priority. That is all I was expressing. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Motion 19-12(1): Construction Of Community Centre For Kakisa
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December 11th, 1991

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Correct me if I am out of order because I am new in this House, but I would like to know if the mover knows, before the other Members of this House, the exact capital budget already in place for Inuvik Region, Baffin Region, Keewatin Region, and also the priorities for consideration for different communities who may also urgently need that kind of facility? I am not saying I am against this motion, but the timing has to be very important in this case. We have had no discussion -- we call ourselves Members of the House in consensus government and after sitting for one week here we start making motions about building this here and building this there, without any consideration for the overall requirements for capital plans.

I cannot find myself blindly supporting spending the taxpayers' money without considering other avenues to go with. Perhaps in the budget session we will have that opportunity to sit down with Mr. Gargan and the rest of the Members of the House and try to determine what community most urgently needs things. Maybe it is the Member's community, but I have no way of finding that out.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to say that I will be voting in favour of this motion, but I would like to make it clear that I am only doing it on the understanding that this does not circumvent the process, that the whole capital budget still will undergo review by the standing committee on finance. I do not think this necessarily means the process is being changed; it is perhaps a recommendation by a Member that the Minister take a second look at the capital plan before submitting it to the standing committee on finance.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Lewis.

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I support this motion for a very good reason. I sat in this House for four years, along with Mr. Gargan, and when we examined the capital plan under the able direction of Mr. Pollard, who was the chairman of the standing committee on finance, we found that by some strange, mysterious process, the vast bulk of capital moneys went into ridings where there were Ministers.

Mr. Gargan's riding was on the bottom of the heap. Mr. Gargan's riding did not get very much capital. He is not a Minister. Mr. Zoe's did not. He is not a Minister. Mr. Pedersen was the Speaker -- and by supporting Mr. Gargan here, all I am doing is to suggest that maybe what will dignify this 12th Assembly is the fact that in the allocation of moneys, it will be absolutely clear that ordinary Members have made their feelings known and that the public knows they have made their feelings known. And if that is not reflected in the government documents that will be taken to the standing committee on finance, then it is because the government has decided that to ignore us is to not put our projects in the capital plan. For that reason I support ordinary Members' attempts to make sure that what the government brings forward is not simply what government Ministers would like to see.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

To the motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I believe the concern of some of the Members in respect to the process and the time frame that this motion is introduced, and I want to make it specifically clear to the Members that in the event that the support for this motion is here, it is not the fact that Mr. Gargan is circumventing the capital process; he is basically indicating as a Member what his priorities are for his constituency, and we all have agreed that these also have to go through the SCOF process, which is important to all Members. But basically we are indicating to the Minister that this is the priority issue that Mr. Gargan would like to address. The issue at hand is in the capital budget, and it is just a matter of the Minister's reconsidering whether or not he wants to keep it in that specific year in the budget or place it up another year. It is the understanding of the ordinary Members that we recognize this request will go through SCOF and will be given consideration like other Members' requests once it is through the process.