This is page numbers 331 - 365 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Hon. Titus Allooloo, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Arngna'naaq, Mr. James Arvaluk, Hon. Michael Ballantyne, Mr. Bernhardt, Hon. Nellie Cournoyea, Mr. Dent, Mr. Gargan, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Koe, Mr. Lewis, Hon. Mike, Hon. Don Morin, Mr. Nerysoo, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Dennis Patterson, Hon. John Pollard, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Pudluk, Hon. Todd, Mr. Tony Whitford, Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Before we commence with Orders of the Day, I would like to welcome in the gallery the frontline workers in the field of family violence from 16 communities. They are in Yellowknife for a week long conference.

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Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have circulated to the Members of this House a copy of the interim report of the R.C.M.P. Public Complaints Commission hearing into the treatment of Kitty Nowdluk Reynolds.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Excuse me, Mr. Kakfwi, is this an emergency statement?

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Yes, I forgot to make that announcement.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Proceed with your emergency statement, Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is an emergency statement. I have circulated to the Members of this House a copy of the interim report of the R.C.M.P. Public Complaints Commission hearing into the treatment of Kitty Nowdluk Reynolds. This interim report follows a hearing held in Iqaluit last March, over a period of seven days. The commission panel was chaired by Alan Williams, the former Attorney General of British Columbia, and included Lazarus Arreak of the Northwest Territories and Jane Evans. I am pleased that the interim report has been made public at this time. Under the provisions of the R.C.M.P. Act, the report must be sent in its interim form to the Commissioner of the R.C.M.P. and to the federal Solicitor General.

The R.C.M.P. Commissioner is obliged to consider the report and to advise what, if any, further action will be taken with respect to the complaints. Moreover, if the Commissioner decides not to act on any findings or recommendations set out in the interim report, he must give reasons for not taking action. Following this process the Chair of the Complaints Commission will prepare a final report setting out the findings and the recommendations it has made, presumably taking into account the response, if any, of the Commissioner of the R.C.M.P.

Because the process is not complete, it is premature for me to make more than preliminary comments at this time. However, I believe I can say that I am pleased with the extensive discussion of the facts and circumstances, and the detailed recommendations put forward for response by the R.C.M.P. The report pulls no punches in its criticism of the treatment of Kitty Nowdluk Reynolds by the criminal justice system, in which the report acknowledges the R.C.M.P. play such a dominant role. It is also very encouraging to see that the report stresses the need for victim services throughout the criminal justice process, something which you have heard me say on a number of occasions since taking on the Justice portfolio, and something you will hear more about in the future.

Mr. Speaker, finally I note in passing that with the encouragement of our government, the federal prosecutor's offices in Yellowknife and Iqaluit now have victim witness assistance to provide some measure of services for persons in the position that Kitty Nowdluk Reynolds was in. As well, through funding support from the Department of Justice, the Victim Services Program is now available within the R.C.M.P. offices in Yellowknife. I look forward, with interest, to the timely response of the Commissioner of the R.C.M.P. to the findings and recommendations made in this interim report. Mahsi.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Ministers' Statements. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Ningark.

John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the women working against family violence, it is my pleasure to make a statement directed to all of the politicians. "We are frontline workers of family violence, representing 16 communities across the N.W.T. "We are discussing the shocking levels of violence against women and children. How do you see your responsibility in terms of rectifying the problems? How do you think the male leadership can best provide direction on these issues?" Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Members' Statements. Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question 23-12(3): Update On Request For Boat For Sanikiluaq
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Pudlat on November 20, 1992. Mr. Speaker, it concerns the search and rescue boat that Mr. Pudlat was requesting for Sanikiluaq. Mr. Speaker, search and rescue funding is provided under the new initiatives program administered by the National Search and Rescue Secretariat in Ottawa. Funding is provided to federal departments having a direct or indirect search and rescue mandate to develop search and rescue response capability throughout the country. Federal departments having a search and rescue mandate include the R.C.M.P., the Department of National Defence, the Canadian Coast Guard, Atmospheric and Environment Services and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs.

Any vessel purchased under this program would be owned by the sponsoring federal agency and could not be turned over for other community uses. Therefore, Sanikiluaq's request could not be accommodated by this program. Emergency Preparedness Canada administers the Joint Emergency Preparedness Program commonly called J.E.P.P. J.E.P.P. is a cost sharing program between the federal government, the provinces and the territories to enhance the emergency response capability in every region in Canada.

Municipalities, provincial and territorial government departments may access funding. Although funding is available to acquire equipment, facilities, training, planning and education, it is not available to purchase search and rescue boats. The Department of Economic Development and Tourism, Mr. Speaker, has funding programs which provide for the creation or expansion of businesses through the acquisition of new equipment and infrastructure. A private commercial venture could put together a business proposal to purchase a boat for commercial fishing, tourism, or freighting and could come to the department for assistance. If the business plan shows there is a market for the boat's services, that a profit can be made, and if the applicant has sufficient equity, the proposal will be considered for assistance.

In summary, a boat to be used for commercial purposes as well as search and rescue may qualify for departmental assistance, assistance from E.D.A. or, perhaps, from the Canadian Aboriginal Economic Development Program. Interested Sanikiluaq residents should contact the local economic development officer. The Sanikiluaq economic development office has indicated that the community would like assistance in getting a marine surveyor to assess the condition of an older boat which is in the community at the present time. The surveyor would recommend what repairs have to be undertaken. In this instance, Mr. Speaker, the department can assist. We look forward to their proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 23-12(3): Update On Request For Boat For Sanikiluaq
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Allooloo.

Further Return To Question 62-12(3): Method Determining Distance Of Daily Polar Bear Travel
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Ms. Mike on November 23, 1992, regarding the method of determining distance of daily polar bear travel; the longest distance a female polar bear with a radio collar has moved in one day.

Radio collars cannot be put on male polar bears. However, a hunter and a biologist followed the tracks of one male polar bear that had travelled more than 160 kilometres without stopping to sleep or hunt for seals. The bear was followed in April during the mating season when male polar bears travel long distances to search for females.

Information from hunters and movements of radio collared female polar bears indicate that polar bears travel more in the spring and early summer than during the open water season and winter. Thank you. I have another return if I may, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 166-12(3): Water And Sewer Subsidy In Tax-based Municipalities
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Antoine on December 2, 1992, regarding water and sewer subsidies in tax-based municipalities.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is preparing a policy proposal on the distribution of water and sewage services subsidy funding to tax-based municipalities. I expect to submit the policy proposal to Cabinet in January, 1993.

Titus Allooloo Amittuq

I have another return, if I may, to a question posed by Mr. Gargan on December 2, 1992, regarding the status of the Ingraham Trail "no hunting" corridor.

The following responses are provided regarding the regulation which prohibits individuals from hunting within the corridor along the Ingraham Trail:

1. Eight written warnings have been issued under the Special Management Area (S.M.A.) Regulations, Section 4, which states that "No person shall discharge a firearm for the purposes of hunting big game within Special Management Area F/1-B during the period commencing November 1 in one year and ending April 30 in the following year." All eight warnings were issued this fall;

2. No charges have been laid under the summary conviction procedures regulations for offenses under the S.M.A. regulations, Section 4; and

3. Since no charges have been laid, no one has proceeded to trial.

Further Return To Question 31-12(3): Effects Of Tranquillizing Polar Bear Meat
Return To Written Question 12-12(3): Status Of The Ingraham Trail "no Hunting" Corridor
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

I have one more return, to a question asked by Mr. Pudluk on November 20, 1992 regarding the effect of tranquillizing polar bear meat.

Last April, a study was done out of Resolute Bay to determine when the drug used to tranquillize polar bears is no longer in the bear's body. The study was done on four polar bears.

The Department of Renewable Resources assisted the study, but does not yet have the results. The Department is contacting the researcher, who is from the University of Saskatchewan, to find out when the analysis will be done. Once the study is complete, the Department will discuss the results with hunters from Resolute Bay first and then advise other communities. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 31-12(3): Effects Of Tranquillizing Polar Bear Meat
Return To Written Question 12-12(3): Status Of The Ingraham Trail "no Hunting" Corridor
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Morin.

Return To Question 162-12(3): Reason For B.i.p. Adjustment
Return To Written Question 12-12(3): Status Of The Ingraham Trail "no Hunting" Corridor
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Lewis on December 2, 1992, regarding the reason for the B.I.P. adjustment.

The subject tender was issued on September 9, 1992. The revised Business Incentive Policy was approved for implementation in June of this year. It extended the application of local preference to tender the purchase of goods. Previously, the local preference was applied only to tenders for construction contract.

The policy, therefore, extended the preference to local firms that supply goods that are intended to be used in the same community in which the supplier is located. Further, the policy provides that two or more communities be considered local when located close to the work site. For example the highways camp is located outside municipal boundaries. Communities in the vicinity of the highways camp can be considered local for the materials destined for that camp.

Since the oil tankers are to be used in and around Hay River, Hay River is defined as the local for the purpose of applying the preference. Application of local preference is therefore consistent with the policy and the decision to waive local preference on a much larger tender to supply and install furniture in the Legislative Assembly building, was a separate and distinct matter, the reason for which I have already indicated to this House.

I must admit, however, that I am as concerned about this issue of local preference as the Member, for our preference policy should end. We should equalize opportunity for all northern business but this particular provision may, in fact, be doing the opposite in some cases.

I have instructed the Senior Management Preference Committee to review this matter and report back to me by the end of January. In the meantime it will be necessary to abide by the provisions of the policy as defined. Exceptions will only be approved by the Senior Management Committee. Thank you.

Return To Question 162-12(3): Reason For B.i.p. Adjustment
Return To Written Question 12-12(3): Status Of The Ingraham Trail "no Hunting" Corridor
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Koe.

Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs.

On November 27, the Minister tabled document 18-12(3), Community Transfer Initiative Implementation Plan. The purpose was to represent the government's commitment to recognize and encourage community self-government. The community transfer agreements with interested communities will recognize community authority, identify and designate community responsibilities and transfer resources for program and service delivery. My question to the Minister is, what is the status of the implementation plan?

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the implementation plan has been tabled and needs to have a minor but critical amendment to it today. I will be tabling an amendment to page eight. I think we left out a critical word in the document. Having said that, the document is made available to the Members. It sets out the way in which we to propose to follow a process of implementation on community transfer initiatives across the territories. We are going to take the approach that only those communities that express an interest will enter into discussions. Once we have a better idea of the general approach of interested communities and the kinds of resources that would be required to fund the discussions, we enter into discussions with those communities that express an interest. Then we will come back to the Legislature with a supp for money.

It is my hope that Members of the Legislature on the advice from the constituencies, will give us some idea of what they may require for their particular constituencies. That is one of the steps that will have to be taken early in the new year.

I think it is important to point out to Members that while we cannot expect ourselves as Ministers to respond to all 76 communities in the territories we hope to respond to as many as possible. Members should know that because of the number of sittings we have, the opportunity to meet all communities at a time when they are interested is not as flexible as we would like.

We have made contact with all the Gwich'in communities. We have had an initial talk with the community of Tuktoyaktuk. We have an invitation from Sachs Harbour which I hope to go into sometime in January. We are waiting for some definite dates from the Dogrib communities as to when they would like to have some preliminary discussions at a regional or community level. There has been a visit to Cape Dorset which requires some follow-up. We are trying to do that presently. There was an initial meeting in Pond Inlet, again with some follow-up required. In some cases the communities have been specific. The interest in a number of communities is to work on community justice and to see what they can do to move in that specific area. As for other areas, we are looking at moving on housing, either taking over responsibility for the housing associations or the housing programs themselves.

We are looking at flushing out the complex areas of responsibility that are presently under Social Services. Many communities have expressed an interest to have a discussion without any prejudice to future dealings on what exactly is on the table, what is available for discussion and what information is available. Some communities have asked for very detailed information about specific dollar amounts that are related to the discussions. For instance, one community wanted to know how much it costs for an inmate to travel to Yellowknife and back and the daily cost of incarceration for an inmate, to have some idea what the figure might be if a proposal were developed for the community to take responsibility for inmates at the community or regional level. That is the status of the community transfer initiatives. We are trying to finish off the ones that were initiated years ago. For instance, in Norman Wells, they have had discussions now for four years about taking over the natural gas system and water and sewage. We hoped that this would be finalized initially by January. It is now scheduled for March because of some setbacks. We are trying to finish off the ones that we started in earlier years. Thank you.

Return To Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I would like to remind the Members that if they are going to pose a question that could require a long and detailed answer, they should consider using written questions because a long and detailed answer would take away the opportunity from the other Members to ask their questions. Item 5, Oral Questions. Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

Supplementary To Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Question 188-12(3): Status Of Community Implementation Plan
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you. I asked the question. I did not expect a long and detailed answer. Mr. Speaker, the Minister stated that communities have been in negotiations or have put in requests. I know of several communities up in the Mackenzie Delta, Fort McPherson and Arctic Red River, for instance, that have submitted proposals to the Minister and his department. What is the Minister doing in terms of dealing with these communities that already have assumed some responsibilities? What action is being done to assist these communities at the present time?