This is page numbers 8 - 19 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Speaker, perhaps I should inform the House that we hired an outside independent consultant who had been a chartered accountant, who had been connected with Expo in Vancouver, and who had a lot of experience in this area, and we brought that person, Mr. Fred Abbott, to Yellowknife. We had him go through the department's numbers. We then sent him to Spain and had him go through the pavilion, had him go through the whole of the exposition over there, talk to the people who are providing support services, and Mr. Abbott reported back to us the numbers that I previously mentioned, $2.5 million if you do not do anything and $4.5 if you do it and nobody comes to the party.

I have not received Mr. Abbott's report yet, Mr. Speaker. But I will make that report available to the House as soon as I receive it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Lewis.

Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services. A controversial issue that has arisen lately has been the requirement that counsellors in the drug and alcohol program abstain from alcohol. I would like to ask the Minister whether this should also be extended to include gambling and smoking, because they are both forms of addiction which everybody in the NWT is familiar with, and it would be a bad role model if people engaged in that activity also smoke and gamble.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, we do not have any plans in the immediate future for any of the items mentioned by my honourable friend across the way. The present issue deals primarily with the sobriety clause in the treatment of alcohol and drug patients. We intend to leave it at that.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Lewis.

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Since this whole business of requiring people in this social field to be good role models for people that have problems, I would like to ask the Minister how we will police this so that we will know there are no secret drinkers or no people who engage in secret activity. What kind of policing takes place so we are sure the people who are required to obey the sobriety clause in fact remain sober?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question is a good question because we do not expect the Department of Social Services to do this monitoring. I think the monitoring will be incumbent on the groups that have accepted the agreement with the Government of the NWT to deliver the program. It is anticipated that the groups themselves will do the monitoring. This Minister and this department will not accept anonymous tips, anonymous phone calls. If anybody is considered to be in violation of the sobriety clause after having signed it or after their group has signed it, then they should be willing to stand up and put their name to that. I think it will be incumbent on the groups themselves to ensure that the staff that are working there abide by the intent of the guidelines set before them.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Second supplementary, Mr. Lewis.

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February 12th, 1992

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since it is the government itself that imposes this requirement, not the local group that decides it needs to be monitored, how will the Minister be sure that no group will have signed this agreement to get the money, even if they have no intention whatsoever of obeying the sobriety clause?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do not anticipate that anybody will be signing an agreement unless they intend to comply with the requirements.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Pudlat.

Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to that topic, I have comments on that. My question is to the Minister of Social Services. I wonder if the alcohol counsellors in the communities were consulted before this was put into place. Were there information sessions? This has caused a lot of problems in the communities. I do not think the communities were informed enough before this was put into place. I am not saying that these people should stop drinking. I am just wondering if this can be policed. Will this be a good policy for the future?

Some communities have signed and some have not. This agreement came by fax and there seems to be some difficulty in where it came from. Do you feel they were informed enough before this was put in place?

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services, Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The House will recall that the issue was brought to the floor of the House through the advice from the board of management of alcohol and drug services. They are the board that would have been in direct connection with all of the local alcohol and drug treatment groups. This was done, I believe, in general consultation. There was not 100 per cent acceptance of this by some groups, and there still is not. But out of the 42 groups there are only two that have decided that they did not want to comply with the requirements. Surprisingly, Mr. Speaker, one of the most vocal of the groups happens to be in a community that has voted to be dry. It surprises me that such vocal opposition would come from there.

But to answer the question, as I said, there was consultation with the board of management, advice given to the former Minister, which this government accepted as well.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Gargan.

Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources, regarding watersheds. Mr. Speaker, I do have a concern in the Western Arctic that eventually we might be faced with a situation in which the Mackenzie River could be polluted to a point where it would not be suitable for human consumption. Are there any studies at this point in time being done to identify where there is fresh water and whether or not those watersheds could be protected for future use? I am referring to lakes where there is fresh water, like Willow Lake, Drum Lake, Tathlina Lake. Those are all freshwater lakes. I would like to know if those areas could be protected in the event that the Mackenzie River does get polluted.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my department's mandate to make sure that the quality of water throughout the Territories is protected. My department is continuing to monitor the rivers and waters within the system of the NWT. We are also continuing negotiations with the Alberta government. We are trying to get the concern of the NWT residents across to the Government of Alberta. However, the negotiations broke down some time ago. We are still endeavouring to make sure that the honourable Member's concern and the NWT residents' concerns are adhered to by the other jurisdictions. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister's response regarding the monitoring. Naturally, if there is monitoring going on, this monitoring would indicate whether or not we are getting more pollution in the water than would be acceptable for human consumption. My problem, Mr. Speaker, is that they can do the monitoring on the Mackenzie River but in the event that it does get polluted, what are the options? We should protect watersheds in all the regions so that we do have a second option; lakes like Drum Lake, Willow Lake, Kakisa Lake and Tathlina Lake are protected in the event that the Mackenzie does get polluted. Are there any initiatives right now to identify where we do have fresh water which has not been polluted or touched on at this point in time?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very hard to try and control the pollution coming from the air, from the pesticides, and forest fires. However, we are trying to do whatever we can to make sure those lakes that have not been polluted yet remain the way they are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.