Mr. Chairman, the Minister of Finance will answer the question.

Mr. Pollard.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, could I find out from the Member if the problem exists with the apparent deletion of some four million dollars in that project? Is that where the problem lies, sir?

Member for Thebacha.

Mr. Chairman, I will try to explain it once again. Prior to last year, in 1990-91, $260,000 was approved and used by the Department of Education toward the applied arts and library building. Last year, $400,000 was approved to address the applied arts and library building. However, only $185,000 of that $400,000 was actually used. What they did was carry over $285,000, the remaining dollars, to look at continuing to work toward this building. Last year, it was anticipated they would spend four million dollars on this applied arts and library building. However, it was not in this year's budget. So when the Minister indicated that this arts and library building was deferred he stated that it was deferred because of SCOF's recommendation, and I am disputing that remark. I am stating that it was deferred even prior to SCOF receiving the capital budget, and I would like to know why.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is quite a bit clearer to me than before. In 1990-91, the Member is correct in that there was money allocated for this project. In 1991 the department went out to tender for design. The department was told that this design was going to be too expensive. In 1991-92, the department had, in their budget, $400,000 of which $115,000 was spent on a design that would allow them to build an applied arts building and library that would be less expensive than previously designed. In 1991-92, the design was not able to be completed, and we are saying that on the design year of 1992-93, we cannot build the building since we have not finished the design that would allow us to build the facility.

What we are saying, Mr. Chairman, is that we would defer the construction year to 1993-94. In the meantime, we will carry the remainder of $400,000, which is $285,000, to 1992-93 and that would allow us to finish the design, and the construction will start in 1993-94. That was the reason for carrying over $285,000. We could not finish the design during this fiscal year. We are proposing that we carry over $285,000. We did decide that the building construction year be deferred to 1993-94, prior to going to the SCOF committee. Thank you.

Member for Thebacha.

That is exactly what I wanted to hear, Mr. Chairman, because it was not SCOF's decision to defer that capital project; it was the Department of Education's decision. I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Mr. Chairman, if there was not enough money to do the design work in 1991-92 for $400,000, and he carried over the remaining $285,000 to complete the design work, what makes him think he has enough money to do the design work in 1992-93?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to answer that question.

Mr. Gerein.

Mr. Chairman, we had got a late start on the project. We spent $115,000 of that $400,000 on programming and design, and we will be carrying on, or would have been carrying on that work into the new year in 1992-93, and that is the reason that we were asking for a carry-over of that $285,000. Initially, the plan would have been to finish the design in early 1992-93 with that carry-over money, and then go to construction tenders later in the fall to build the arts centre, but as we moved through the capital planning process at the same time, it was recognized that we did not have enough money to meet all the needs, and the recommendation was made to cabinet to defer the construction to 1993-94, which was the plan that we brought to SCOF. Thank you.

Thank you. Are there any further general comments on Education? Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is to the Minister of Education. As I stated in my statement earlier, last week, I stated to you that the grade nine students are holding classes in the education council chambers, and the grade four students are taking classes in a corner of the gymnasium, and the Inuktitut classes are being held in the spectators' section of the gymnasium -- Coral Harbour. There was a capital estimate last year approved to retrofit the adult education centre but I do not see it now on page 18-13 in the middle section for Keewatin. We were talking about a need to create the capital estimates on a needs basis. Can the Minister tell me, what the plans are, if there is a five-year capital plan, to do something about that? The reason I am asking, Mr. Chairman, is that we have very good co-operation with the adult education centre. I do not know if Arctic College likes that or not, but we have very good co-operation between the Arctic College section of adult education and the school, so we have been utilizing the student classes in the adult education section because our old school has not been retrofitted or renovated or expanded, so if the adult education had been retrofitted then we probably could have accommodated some of these students who are attending the regular school, in the adult education section, even if it meant putting them in the council chambers again. At least it would be more suitable when it is retrofitted.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Since the Member raised his concern with respect to Coral Harbour school I have requested information from the region to tell me -- obviously from the Member's remarks there is a shortage of space in the Coral Harbour school, and according to information that is available to me, that school, Coral Harbour, school, is only 73 per cent utilized. I requested more information from the region to tell me what the situation is in Coral Harbour, and I have not got that information yet. As for the plans for Coral Harbour, there are no current plans to renovate, or to add, or to construct a new school in the immediate future. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My people are trying to find records of what actually happened to the Coral Harbour adult education centre. The only record we have with us is that there is going to be a retrofit planned for the adult education centre in Coral Harbour in 1995-96. Prior to that, we have the old plans that were scheduled to renovate the school.

Thank you. General comments. Member for Thebacha.

Mr. Chairman, I move to report progress.

The motion is in order. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress.

Speaker's Ruling