This is page numbers 725 - 749 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was languages.

Members Present

Mr. Antoine, Mr. Arngna'naaq, Mr. James Arvaluk, Hon. Michael Ballantyne, Hon. Nellie Cournoyea, Mr. Dent, Mr. Gargan, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Koe, Mr. Lewis, Mrs. Marie-Jewell, Hon. Rebecca Mike, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Richard Nerysoo, Mr. Patterson, Hon. John Pollard, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Pudluk, Hon. John Todd, Mr. Whitford, Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Before we get into the orders of the day, I have a message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, the Commissioner is wishing the Premier Nellie Cournoyea a very happy birthday.

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I think we all join the Commissioner in wishing Ms. Cournoyea all the best on her 39th birthday.

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Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd.

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The mine safety bill committee was formed in December of 1991 to prepare a new mine safety bill and regulations. At that time, the unions representing the vast majority of unionized mine workers in the Northwest Territories refused to join the committee because they objected to the manner in which the committee was structured.

The committee is comprised of two representatives from mine management, one representative of employees from a non-union mine and one representative from the Union of Northern Workers who represents a small number of mine employees.

Despite the absence of organized workers, the committee has continued with its work and has been developing a new mine safety bill and regulations for close to one year.

To date, the committee has completed the drafting instructions for the new bill and has made substantial headway on the regulations that will accompany this legislation.

While the work of the committee has been admirable, this process does not address the views of all of the stakeholders concerned with mine safety in the Northwest Territories. The absence of organized workers in this process means that the views of a significant and important sector of the mining industry in the Northwest Territories are not being considered.

Like previous Ministers of Safety and Public Services, I have tried to explore ways that organized labour could be accommodated within the existing review process as a full and willing participant.

After a great deal of discussion with the president of the Northwest Territories Federation of Labour, an accommodation has been reached that will allow organized labour to participate in the development of this important legislation.

This agreement would allow the Northwest Territories Federation of Labour to nominate persons from organized labour to sit on the committee, the number to be equivalent to the membership of the committee as currently structured. The Federation of Labour would also be given the opportunity to review the proposed new act and the work done on the regulations to date and offer suggestions on how it can be improved.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend the president and executive of the Northwest Territories federation of labour for their efforts in bringing organized labour back to the table to review this important piece of legislation.

It is important to ensure, at the conclusion of this process, we have a good piece of legislation which ensures the safety of all mine workers in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis.

Yellowknife Guild Of Crafts
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I note we failed to mark the passage of your birthday last week, Mr. Speaker. Of a similar vintage to yourself, Mr. Speaker, is an institution in this city called the Yellowknife guild of crafts. It was founded in 1946. Ruth Stanton was the first president. The first secretary was Mrs. Anderson-Thomson. The guild, in those days, was established because people were very interested in doing creative things with their hands in a place which, at that time, was very isolated. People lived under conditions which were much different than what they are today. Some people may be amused by the idea of people sitting down doing handicrafts for long hours on those winter nights. However, one of the things which happened with that guild, Mr. Speaker, which many people do not know of, is that Dr. Stanton on all of his travels throughout the Mackenzie Valley and up to the Delta, was instrumental in bringing the art work of many aboriginal

people to the attention of Yellowknife and the rest of Canada.

Mr. Speaker, this has been of interest to me. This is still something which is seen as elitist, something that is somehow irrelevant to the Northwest Territories because it serves only the interests of urban people who are bored and have nothing to do. Many of us do not see it that way. We have seen all kinds of very interesting things done there and I will be tabling a letter from that guild as they are very concerned about the future of this institution which has been around, Mr. Speaker, for about the same length of time as you have.

Yellowknife Guild Of Crafts
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Arvaluk.

James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel. The Minister should be aware that the high school in Coral Harbour will be proceeding with grade extensions to allow grade 11 students to remain in their home community. This expansion will likely require the addition of two more teachers. Many people in the community have raised concerns regarding the inadequate availability of government staff housing. They are wondering what arrangements are going to be made for housing these new teachers. Frankly, this is a problem which seems to occur every time program expansion or decentralization has been discussed in eastern Arctic communities. It has remained one of the biggest barriers to the establishment of the government infrastructure. Can the Minister of Personnel tell the House what he is planning to do to address the chronic shortage of housing for government employees, especially teachers, during the 1993-94 fiscal year?

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I do not have the information available right now on the plans regarding the implications and requirements for the class extensions in that particular community. I will have to get back to the Member on that.

Return To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk.

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Like many other honourable Members, I would have no trouble supporting the principle that the GNWT should get out of the business of being a landlord for its staff. However, I cannot see moving quickly toward policy equalization when there are such great inadequacies of availability and condition of housing, which presently exist in our communities. Can the Minister of Personnel explain how his new staff housing strategy is going to deal with the critical shortage of staff housing and the poor conditions of old staff houses which still exist?

Supplementary To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the inadequate number of staff houses available to government employees has been in existence for many years, even during the years when there was a very healthy accumulated surplus enjoyed by this government. Even as far back as 1987 or 1988, we had established that we needed, for instance in the Baffin alone, a few hundred staff houses just to catch up to present needs.

Over the years, the government has been trying to build sufficient units so staff could be reasonably housed within the communities where they are employed. There is a question as to how this staff housing policy addresses the present predicament of government. The fact is, we have been unable to make the commitment to provide sufficient money to increase the total allocation of staff houses to what is required. The staff housing strategy suggests, in the interest of the fiscal situation of the government at this time, we have to take a position that will make it possible for private developers to have some confidence in developing accommodation for people in the private market, as well as government employees who wish to rent from the private market, or to buy houses.

The government has said, through the staff housing strategy, we will make it attractive for people to buy their own houses. This will, in many cases, trigger an interest from the private market to become competitive in building units where they can lease to people at a competitive or even lower rate than what government is prepared to rent at. Also, if there are government guarantees for people to buy back their houses, it will give private developers a certain comfort in building units as they know there is going to be a market. Because of this, the private market will begin to develop. It is taking a different approach to addressing the problem we have. We do not have enough houses for staff, government employees, ordinary citizens and people of the Northwest Territories. Part of our strategy has been to suggest by taking the approach we do, we will make more units available for more people, staff and other residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk.

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister of Personnel will then be able to write to the community education councils and inform them that the guarantees are available to build such houses and the teachers can be properly housed. The community education councils can then inform the public, especially the business sector, to proceed with the process of loan guarantees to build houses for government staff. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, we can, if we have not done it already, communicate with the community. I know it is standard practice, when class grade extensions are discussed in communities, to give some assurances that sufficient money, classroom space and accommodations are available. Again, I do not know the details of it. Those plans will not go ahead unless there is some assurance that accommodation will be made available. That can be done by the government committing itself to making sure units are built to provide and meet the requirements. More often, now, we are interested in accepting proposals from community corporations or private developers. We give them a guaranteed lease which will enable them to build the units and then lease to us. Some communication such as that can take place if it has not already been done in the course of discussions with the divisional board. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. This is your last supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk.

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister making a commitment that he will be accepting proposals from the private sector from Coral Harbour, who want to build staff housing for the government?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, where there is an opportunity for the government not to commit capital money and where there is a good reasonable proposal, either from a broad community-based corporation or private developers, as long as there is no objection from the community itself, the government is very interested in receiving proposals of that nature.

Further Return To Question 409-12(3): Housing Shortage For Teachers In 1993-94 Fiscal Year
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Koe.

Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. A few days ago I asked the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation about the methods of transportation for housing materials. In one of the Minister's responses, he stated he is in the process of preparing a decision paper for Cabinet to consider barge companies having the opportunity to carry cargo, and whether we can ship materials in the Inuvik region by truck. Can the Minister please advise when he is proposing to deal with this issue in Cabinet?

The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Minister.