Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Whitford.

Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Minister.

Thank you. One matter of concern to me, for instance, is the unwillingness of Members maybe to appreciate the advantages of a situation like this. What is happening is that there may be a situation, even in the schools, where the adult students will have access to the business labs, to the science rooms, to industrial arts, even to the gymnasium, as generally has not been the case. The so-called separate community learning centres only provide classrooms, they don't provide those additional resources.

The other point I wanted to make is that even with regard to classes -- and I know my honourable colleague knows this full well, Mr. Arvaluk -- and the significant requirement of dollars even now to keep up and maintain schools to meet the needs of children. So when we're trying to find a way to save the resources and be capable of providing the programming, some of these considerations have to be made and given to ensure that we can utilize all the facilities available.

So that is the situation and we're promoting it wherever we can across the Northwest Territories so that we can use more of our money much better. I think that wherever we can save money and get better results and returns, that's where we're trying to head. Knowing the consciousness of the honourable Member, that he would want any Minister to be careful and to be more responsive while at the same time being cognizant of the costs. I understand, and I also appreciate the comments that are being made. I do think there's a major misunderstanding and it needs to be resolved.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

The last comment I'm going to make is that in the budget, you'll see that you have over $2.9 million for the school extension for Coral Harbour in the following pages. I seem to have seen somewhere, the awarding of a contract information that, I think, the lowest bid -- who is doing the work there now -- if I recall that letter properly, was something along the lines of $1.8 million. That's over $1 million under the original budget. Surely that $1 million is sufficient to have that stand-alone building built in Coral Harbour because you have saved so much from the school extension. Qujannamiik.

Qujannamiik. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Chairman, just one final comment. I have no problem supporting the motion and one of the reasons is because, in my opinion, the department has two standards. I refer to the larger communities who have the luxury of having stand-alone buildings. I'm sure we're not going to have an adult education building connected to St. Pat's, or St. Joseph's, or any other school. I know of programs that are delivered are done in an apartment, I think, seven floors up in the Yellowknife Panda II building. I see a situation where the smaller communities are not given the opportunity to make those choices.

The government says that we look at the most economical way of doing it and that is to combine them and we'd look at why we should combine them. I've made arguments in that area too with the Minister, and the Minister is well aware of it. Up to now, we haven't seen anything progress anywhere with regard to why I feel that adult education should be separate from the mainstream education. I have no problems if the community has that opportunity, if they want to have a separate structure, as opposed to having it as part of the elementary or junior high school; I think they should have that choice. I don't think it should be imposed on them.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. I don't want to debate this issue but I'll tell you this, at this particular juncture, we're approximately $21 million short for school programming, capital programming for elementary school K-12. We need to find a way to run programs much better. All I'm suggesting to the honourable Members is that the more we try to organize this, the better it is. In some communities we may be able to address the capital separately but in working together, it's my view we can come to a solution, but that's the only way we can do it. We have to look at the cost and look at the increase in our school-aged population because it's very, very significant.

I can tell you this, in the Keewatin region, for instance, what had not been planned is 200 more students going in the school program that were not there last year. That's the increase in growth in those communities. These are the kinds of problems we're encountering. The adult programming, too, is expanding very significantly. These are the kind of things we are trying to consider in terms of planning for our capital projects. I need the honourable Members to appreciate that that's the issue.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Chairman, the other issue, too, is with regard to the kind of community transfer initiatives and the self-government issues that are coming up. As long as this government holds the purse strings, it's still up to them to determine how it should be done, as opposed to the communities determining that. I think it's really counterproductive that you keep talking about giving more control to the communities, community transfer initiatives, self-government initiatives, while at the same time, the government says we can't because it's not economical. I think we have to start allowing the communities to determine that themselves.

Qujannamiik. To the motion.

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Keewatin, total region, $10,000. Agreed? Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Keewatin, total region. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, even though the issue is not a matter of our capital budget now, the plan is 1999-2000, with $880,000, and 1998-99, $65,000. The Inuit cultural institute, $50,000 for 1996-97, and $525,000, I believe, 1997-98. In the year 1999-2000, a potential for another $225,000.

Qujannamiik. Keewatin, total region. Mr. Dent.

Qujannamiik. Minister for Education.