This is page numbers 581 - 608 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe.

Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In the Finance Minister's Budget Address, the Minister announced that the Department of Economic Development and Tourism has allocated $650,000 for two three-person economic development officer teams to serve smaller communities where no economic development officers are present. I believe the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism calls this "an itinerant EDO service."

Mr. Speaker, this is a very good initiative and should help the people in smaller communities, but I would like to get some clarification on how this program is going to work. I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism,

from which community will these two three-person teams be working out of?

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These positions will operate out of Economic Development regional offices. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

I understand there are regional offices in the Baffin, Keewatin, Kitikmeot, Inuvik, Fort Smith and also in Yellowknife. There are only two teams of three people, so I would like to know, specifically, where they're going to be stationed from.

Supplementary To Question 303-12(7): Community Selected For Edo Teams
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I seem to be having a terrible time this session taking all of these questions as notice, but I'll have to take this question as notice. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Patterson.

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Justice if he could describe the status of his negotiations with the federal government to take over prosecutions in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In quick summary; shortly after the new government came into office in Ottawa, I asked the new Minister of Justice, Allan Rock, a very short question: would he take seriously a proposal from us to resume discussions about the devolution of prosecutions, with a commitment to complete it, if he had clear terms and conditions that he wanted met to do so. He responded yes, he would seriously enter into such a process.

I then directed officials to begin the discussion. At this time, it's still unclear to me if the Minister is entering into discussions with the intended purpose of concluding devolution, provided his terms and conditions are met. Previous governments have realized governments had entered into discussions without a clear commitment to conclude the process. As I understand it, the last government, at the last moment, decided -- without any substantial decisions -- to turn down the suggestion after months of discussion.

So the first question we're asking the federal government to answer is being done through appointment of an official: Stien Lal a former deputy minister of Justice to this government. Mr. Stien Lal has taken the question of deciding how this process should be conducted by both governments and will be making recommendations to the federal Minister of Justice in the next month or so. We have argued that the first question that should be answered is should the federal government enter into these discussions with the intended purpose of concluding the negotiations or the discussions clearly, if their terms and conditions are met. That first question should be answered within the next month or so.

Again, I don't know if I'm making myself clear, but I'm trying to avoid a situation where I negotiate in good faith for months with the government only to be told at the end that even if we meet all their conditions, they will still not honour the intent of the negotiations. So I'm trying to get the federal government to commit, as we are, that if they have their terms and conditions met and if we have our terms and conditions met, we should conclude the negotiations. That first question is being addressed up front. Hopefully, we should have a response by the federal government in the next couple of months and, hopefully, we will have some definitive response to give to Members by June. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, certainly, for one, hope that the answer will be yes.

I would like to ask the Minister, Mr. Speaker; I'm aware that in previous negotiations which had gone on for many years, one of the concerns of the federal government was that the office of the director of public prosecutions, or the office of the Attorney General for the Northwest Territories in charge of prosecutions, would be independent and free from political interference. I would like to ask the Minister, has he and his officials developed a model for how the Northwest Territories would handle this important responsibility which will demonstrate that the office of the director of public prosecutions will be independent, impartial and free from political interference? Has that model been developed?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is one of the issues that will be addressed in the course of discussions. That is to ensure the impartiality of that function, the office of prosecutors. We have developed some models for the federal government to consider and we will be advancing it to them officially, once we have established that we have a credible negotiation process to both adhere to. We recognize that as a critical, fundamental issue that we can address and we

believe we have developed some models which can address that issue directly. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the other concern in devolution negotiations is financial resources and the adequacy of resources. I understand that the resources spent by the federal Department of Justice on Crown prosecutors in the Northwest Territories have increased in recent years. I would like to ask the Minister, is he generally satisfied -- assuming we take over the whole prosecution function and all the PYs and budget -- that there would be sufficient resources in the base of the prosecution's activity in the Northwest Territories to do the job properly, should we succeed in getting the federal government to agree to devolve this authority? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are presently over 17 person years allocated to the regional office in the Northwest Territories, and a budget of $2.75 million. We believe, at this time, that it is sufficient to help us carry out the function that is being carried out by this particular office under the federal government. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Patterson, your final supplementary.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, personally, am very much in favour of this devolution. I would like to ask the Minister if he could outline for Members of this Assembly what some of the advantages would be to the people of the Northwest Territories if prosecutions were transferred to the Northwest Territories. For example, would it give the Northwest Territories an advantage in pursuing community justice programs in the communities? Would it give the Northwest Territories an advantage in dealing with sensitive issues like prosecutions under possible new federal gun control legislation? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the most obvious benefits to this government assuming responsibility for prosecutions will be in the ability we will have to give policy direction to that office. For instance, at the present time, there is a limitation in ability of federal officials who carry out the functions of the office of prosecutors. They get their direction from Ottawa. So when we are pursuing

more community control, more community direction in the area of Justice, there is an anomaly with the people who are players in that forum.

We cannot give any direction to that part of the Justice system that, for instance, lays charges and decides on the way in which justice can be performed because they work and get direction from the federal government. So we are trying to move towards more localized decision-making by communities, certainly by the people of the Northwest Territories. Unless we bring that function closer to home, we believe there will continue to be a serious limitation on the flexibility and the sensitivity that is needed to be brought into that element.

There is also an example that we have given in recent days, should the proposed Firearms Act, brought in by Allan Rock, be passed into law, that while as a Legislature we should continue to push for less punitive and severe penalties to be placed on those people who break the law as set out in legislation, we will also benefit from having this government assume the powers of prosecution by giving us the flexibility to decide where the law should be severely imposed and where there should be some flexibility imposed. Again, there is an example where that could not be done from an office in Ottawa. Thank you.

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.