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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Madam Premier.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, the way we would try to work with the area of responsibility of student hiring is in a partnership with the chamber. We will also be working with Human Resources Development Canada and they will be providing the funding for the operating cost.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Premier. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

That appears good for Yellowknife but what about the outlying communities?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Madam Premier.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, outside of Yellowknife and at the other regional centre, education committees will be coordinating, with the support of Personnel, to make sure that...Because we are not in Yellowknife, there isn't a centre where students can go to get the support and the back-up to be channelled into the jobs that will be available. It is not as big of a set up as Yellowknife, but through Personnel and ECE, we feel that that can be handled.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Premier. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I just wanted to know whether or not it was in conjunction with another agency outside of the government, but it appears that it is a partnership between ECE and Personnel. My closing comment, Mr. Chairman, I want to take the time to...In my community, as people know, in the past, it has been difficult to be able to give position in the Department of Personnel without a great amount of appeals that have been launched, because there are fairly qualified people in my constituency. I have noticed the appeals are probably still at a fairly moderate rate but I don't find it as politically contentious as it used to be. I do want to take the time to certainly thank the current superintendent and the past superintendent for, what I believe, is fairness in ensuring the affirmative action policy is adhered to. Positions are being granted to individuals who are qualified and who are affirmative action candidates.

I think that should be noted because I certainly have appreciated the support of the department in ensuring fairness has been implemented and that you get the most qualified people on the basis of what they know and not who they know. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Madam Premier.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that sometimes the work of the personnel that we have in the various departments really needs a little bit of support like that and I would like to thank the Member for acknowledging good work when good work is being done. Thank you.

Staffing

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Premier. The committee noted that. Staffing, total O and M, $4.137 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Program summary, total O and M, $4.137 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Does the committee agree that we are concluded with Personnel?

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Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Madam Premier, I would like to thank you and the witness for assisting the committee with this matter.

What is the wish of the committee? We had previously agreed, I believe, to go to the Executive. Does the committee agree? The chair recognizes Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

It's been agreed that we go to the Executive but, Mr. Chairman, I feel there should be more Members in the House. Otherwise, we should report progress. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. The Member has brought to my attention that we do not have a quorum. I shall sound the bells.

Department Of Executive

Thank you. The committee will come back to order. The committee previously agreed that we should move to the Executive offices, page 02-11 in your blue books. Is the Premier ready with her opening remarks?

Minister's Introductory Remarks

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm pleased to present the main estimates for the executive office program of the Department of the Executive. I would like to begin by responding to the Standing Committee on Finance's recommendations that the Premier assume responsibility for initiating transition planning in order that the next government enter into office with a blueprint for action and decision-making.

Work on this document has begun and will be completed prior to the dissolution of the 12th Legislative Assembly. It will build upon those subject areas outlined in the SCOF report and will contain sections on major accomplishments and objectives of the current government and Legislative Assembly; major recommendations and observations of the Standing Committees on Finance, Legislation, Agencies, Boards and Commissions and the Special Joint Committee on Division; spending priorities and strategies; bills and policies which are in preparation and ready for Cabinet consideration; other organizational reviews and options; and, status of and strategy for intergovernmental initiatives and negotiations.

As this document will cover a wide array of issues, I will be writing to committee chairmen to ask for their input. I accept the Standing Committee on Finance's offer of assistance and have asked the Minister of Finance to coordinate that aspect of the document. The need for a fiscal plan was highlighted in the federal budget in cuts that are being made across the board, for example, in the federal government's final offer on the Canada-Northwest Territories official languages agreement.

As Members will recall, the federal government responded to our initial renewal proposal of $30 million with a $9 million counter offer. Through hard work and pressure by the GNWT and our two MPs, their offer was subsequently raised to $16 million last summer, $18 million last fall and, finally, $20 million this winter. The $20 million is composed of two parts, $18 million in the agreement, itself and $2 million in new community-based aboriginal culture initiatives.

While we are disappointed that we were unable to secure higher funding levels, the terms and conditions of the documents are a considerable improvement over past agreements. For example, administrative flexibility has been greatly enhanced by allowing transfers between projects, appendices and fiscal years; easier approval mechanisms; and, fewer reporting requirements. These changes meet many of the recommendations and observations of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions and the Official Languages Commissioner. They will also allow us to cover all costs incurred during the 1994-95 fiscal year.

Prior to federal Cabinet consideration of the division issue, the GNWT will submit to the Minister of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and the federal Minister of Finance, a detailed position paper on division. This document will cover financial, administrative transition training and infrastructure issues and the impact on both territories. We will be working closely with the special joint committee on this matter.

One area which is being allocated additional funds is the women's grants program. These grants provide funds to women's groups at the community level to facilitate workshops, attendance at conferences and special projects. These groups are an active part of the community wellness strategy and the increase from $50,000 to $100,000 should assist in the number of projects undertaken.

The department's other contribution program is also undergoing change. As Members will note, the total amount of funding for regional councils have been reduced to reflect councils which have disbanded and chosen new ways of bringing forward regional views.

The department is developing a policy to address assistance for regional leadership meetings, which will be in place this year and will provide funding for a maximum of two meetings per year. Funding for ongoing regional councils will be frozen for 1995-96 at the previous year's level.

The other reductions in the regional office budget totals $463,000, an accommodation of staff changes resulting in a combined total of nine fewer person years. The trend over the past number of years has resulted in most departments establishing a greater presence in the communities leading to less and less demand being made on government liaison officers and clerical staff supported by the Department of Executive.

In addition, other government initiatives such as the transfer of responsibility of housing to the Housing Corporation on June 1st and community transfer initiatives have all resulted in much less demand being placed on our departmental staff.

Mr. Chairman, the need for the Department of Executive administrative and clerical support in western communities is virtually non-existent. In the eastern Arctic communities outside of the community of Arctic Bay, which also serves Nanisivik, the ongoing support of the Executive of more than one-half person year in each community is no longer needed. The budget about to be presented for the fiscal year beginning April 1, 1995 addresses these changes through the elimination of half-time positions in three regions. Community representation will still be maintained in all communities as in the past, only at a lesser level.

This decision does not in any way reflect on the many years of valuable service provided by the incumbents. In fact, I continue to hold that the individuals affected will decide to accept the new part-time positions.

It should be noted that in several communities such as Cape Dorset, Holman, Gjoa Haven and Pelly Bay, discussions are under way to transfer the role of GLOs to the hamlet councils. They will receive a financial contribution and the ongoing support of the regional director in fulfilling the necessary activities. We are also exploring the option of putting those funds into the MACA budget to be included in the municipalities' operating budgets for ease in administration by both the GNWT and the hamlets.

I would now like to briefly address the Standing Committee on Finance recommendations 10, 11 and 12. The first states that:

Recommendation 10

"The committee recommends that the Premier ensure that sufficient resources are provided to the government's office in Ottawa to enable the government to increase its presence in the nation's capital, so as to ensure that the Northwest Territories is adequately represented in discussions regarding financial, constitutional, self-government, and other important issues."

This recommendation must be read in conjunction with number 11, which states that:

Recommendation 11

"The committee recommends that in the next government, the duties of the Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs Ministry be divided; and further, that the next Premier assume responsibility for the intergovernmental affairs responsibilities."

The committee, quite rightly, points out that the decision to merge Intergovernmental Affairs with Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development Secretariat dates to the Charlottetown Accord days when the constitutional agenda was at the forefront of public debate and required a comprehensive approach to political and constitutional development. The Minister responsible is reviewing this matter.

The final recommendation directed to me, as Premier, is number 12 which states:

Recommendation 12

"The committee recommends that amendments to the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act that would give the Premier the authority to discipline and dismiss Ministers be prepared and introduced at the current session."

I agree with this recommendation and legislation has been introduced. I look forward to answering your questions on the budget for the Executive offices for the fiscal year 1995-96. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Premier. I will now ask the chairman of the Standing Committee on Finance if there are some opening remarks. Mr. Antoine.

Standing Committee On Finance Comments

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Department of the Executive consists of three separate and distinct programs: Executive offices, Financial Management Board Secretariat, and Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs. We're dealing with the Executive offices.

Regional Council Funding

In some parts of the NWT, regional councils are active. However, there are other regions where councils have not been active in recent years. In some of these regions, the idea of an established office "managing" the council has been replaced by a different concept where regional leaders meet regularly to discuss relevant issues.

Total funding to regional councils is reduced in the main estimates. The Premier advised the committee of a new policy, to be in place by April 1, 1995, to address funding for regional councils. Committee Members expect the policy to be flexible enough to provide adequate resources for either the original regional council concept or the "regional leaders' meetings" idea, according to the desires of the leaders in each region and the demands of the Regional and Tribal Councils Act, which requires regional and tribal councils to meet at least twice a year. Members also suggest that the act be reviewed and revised, as necessary to reflect the current status of regional councils.

National Affairs

Over the next five years, the government will have to deal with the federal government on many major issues including division, the Quebec referendum, social security reform and reducing the national debt. It is crucial that the NWT retain its place at the national table during these difficult times. Northern aboriginal groups will also be very active in Ottawa over the next few years as self-government negotiations take place. The government currently has a small office in Ottawa to support the efforts of the Government of the Northwest Territories in addressing national issues. The committee believes it is important to increase our presence in the Ottawa office, including a component which would be available to assist NWT aboriginal groups when they go to Ottawa.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Premier ensure that sufficient resources are provided to the government's office in Ottawa to enable the government to increase its presence in the nation's capital, so as to ensure that the Northwest Territories is adequately represented in discussions regarding financial, constitutional, self-government, and other important issues.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.