This is page numbers 1017 - 1040 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Office of the Speaker, total O and M, $157,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Expenditures On Behalf Of Members

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Expenditures on behalf of Members, total O and M, $4.134 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Office Of The Chief Electoral Officer

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, total O and M, $172,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Commissioner Of Official Languages

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Commissioner of Official Languages, total O and M, $353,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

The chair recognizes the Member for Yellowknife North, Mr. Ballantyne.

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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North

Mr. Chairman, I wonder if I could get consent to go back to ask just one general question?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Ballantyne is seeking approval to go back to ask a question. It looks like we have approval, Mr. Ballantyne.

General Comments

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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North

I apologize to Members. I thought that this particular topic would be outlined. I have some concerns about the Conflict of Interest Commissioner and about what we are going to do as an Assembly to ensure that we don't have the sort of thing that happened to the Premier, where someone

can make a totally unsubstantiated complaint against an MLA at considerable cost to the Legislative Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, one thing that I think perhaps should be in the Legislative Assembly budget book is a page specifically for that particular cost so the public can really see at the end of the day exactly what the cost is. The reason I would like to ask the Speaker is because the Speaker, probably more than any Minister, is the one that would probably have to lead any changes that the Legislative Assembly might want to consider. Are there any thoughts, Mr. Speaker, to put in some parameters under which people can make a complaint? If someone makes, as the last one did, a complaint that the Commissioner finds irresponsible, for instance, could they have to pay for the cost of the inquiry?

I really think that we, as an Assembly, should at least talk about this and discuss it. I am not quite sure exactly what the format would be to discuss it. I think it's important that if we don't deal with this issue, who knows, the next time around there could be a complaint a month against MLAs for any number of reasons. I, for one, support the concept -- if there are legitimate complaints against MLAs, MLAs obviously should be held accountable -- but I don't think that means an open hunting licence on every MLA because someone doesn't like them.

So I wonder if the Speaker has any thoughts or advice to Members on how this issue might be handled?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne. Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Mr. Chairman, that was brought up during the last Management and Services Board meeting as a result of the last complaint to come before the Conflict of Interest Commissioner. The discussion was on how we might be able to address the situation that arose as a result of a member of the public filing complaints against the Premier. The Management and Services Board is looking at what other jurisdictions have. As well, we are looking at enacting amendments to the legislation so that we might be able to put in a fee for the filing of a complaint. We hope that by the spring session we will have a discussion paper and even an amendment.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Ballantyne.

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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North

Thank you. I am a Member of the Management and Services Board, but I thought it was important that we got that on the floor of the House so that all Members and the public are aware of the fact that there are concerns and that we are trying to deal with those concerns. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Line By Line

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne, for your comments. Program summary, total O and M, $9.357 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Does the committee agree that we are concluded with this item, the Legislative Assembly?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the committee, thank you and Mr. Hamilton for assisting us.

Bill 22: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1994-95
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April 24th, 1995

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The Chair Tony Whitford

The item that we're dealing with now is found in your legislation book, the green book; Bill 22, Forgiveness of Debts Act, 1994-95. This matter was last dealt with on April 10th. Looking at the unofficial Hansard, a question by Mrs. Marie-Jewell was asked of the Minister, Mr. Pollard, dealing with item 15, who was 902888 NWT Limited. That was in the schedule on page 4 of the document, item 15 was a numbered company. She asked that the Minister provide this information to the committee. The Minister was not sure at the time whether he could disclose this information but would seek some legal advice. I do believe that this matter has now been dealt with. I would refer to either the Minister or to the legal advisor.

I guess it was that we would seek counsel rather than Mr. Pollard. Sorry. We have. I turn it over the Ms. MacPherson, our legal advisor.

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Law Clerk Ms. Macpherson

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there is no difficulty in referring to the names of officers or directors of a numbered company. There may well be some privacy issues if you refer to a shareholder, but the names of officers and directors are available in the corporate and the companies registry and it is public information. The only caution that Members may wish to take into consideration when commenting on people outside the House is the rule that generally applies to any comments made by persons outside of the House which is found in Beauchesne's and which is often incited to Members is that we have to take great care in making statements about people who are outside the House and are unable to reply.

However, I see no difficulty in answering Mrs. Marie-Jewell's request for the names of officers and directors of the numbered company. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. MacPherson. Are there any questions on that issue? The question then goes back to Mr. Pollard. The question is, who is 902888 NWT Limited? Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, may I move to the witness table and bring a witness into the Assembly, please? Thank you.