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Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for the comfort of Members, we had this discussion in committee and we understood the concerns that were raised. When we get to clause 126, we will be more specific about responding to the issue of hours. I want to advise the honourable Member, who probably knows the process that existed previously, that the matter of school calendars must be set and must meet standards. A certain number of hours will be translated into days to suit the jurisdiction or, for that matter, the hours.

Based on that, records are kept of instructional time for credit purposes. I think all of us should remain aware that the transferability between our high schools and post-secondary institutions -- universities, specifically -- is based on hours of instruction. In other words, they have to be satisfied with the hours of instruction. So, it's quite clear then, as a result of the number of hours a student spends on a particular course to reach a credit, success in a course is accredited accordingly.

The other point is, we set our elementary time also on hours. For instance: for issues like language of instruction, that would be 210 hours; another language, 90 hours; mathematics, 180 hours; science, 90 hours; social studies, 90 hours; physical education, 90 hours; practical arts, 60 hours; health, 60 hours; and, arts education, 60 hours. That is the basis upon which we make those calculations even now. That's the instruction that we give and the guidelines for time allocations for subjects from grade 1 to 9.

That was why we, Mr. Chairman...I raise the point that the way in which we are trying to amend this legislation could be done but it's the more awkward way of doing it. We could amend it in 126, that was proposing to provide an amendment for that particular purpose to address the concern that, I believe, is important for this Assembly to deal with. We're prepared to do it.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The chair recognizes the Member for Natilikmiot who's going to speak to it at this point. To the motion.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe the professional development days are not included in this particular motion, as it specifically states 190 instructional days. Who determines the number of schools days in a specific given area? If the education body is a public denominational body, then I believe that body should determine it. If the body is a private educational body, then I believe that will determine that area. If the student is home schooling, then I believe that the home will determine the number of days. That's my interpretation. Thank you.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. To the motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I support the motion, taking into account the clarification by the mover. I will indicate to the Minister that I do have a problem with his attempt to amend section 126, under the role of the Minister, because it's my understanding that this authority will be delegated to the

DEA and not as the responsibility of the Minister. They will determine the hours. What we're doing, I believe, is setting a framework for the number of instructional days which should be conducted. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. To the motion. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, the district education authority still has to receive the instruction on operations from the Minister in these particular areas. The calendars have to be approved. It would not take away from the authority but what it says is the board shall establish those hours of instruction.

I'm trying to be clear about this because the way in which we are trying to do this is not the acceptable way of transferring programs to universities or other institutions. That's the problem because it would be applicable throughout the system. It's not simply a matter of kindergarten to six or kindergarten to nine; 190 days would be a requirement through the whole system. Rather than allowing the boards, as well, to be flexible about the hours and the time, you're requiring them, without reviewing the regulations, to set specifically that time.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. To the motion. Mr. Koe.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Fred Koe Inuvik

The dilemma we're in is the issue of powers and authorities between the Minister and the education authority. I would like to ask the mover, in terms of this particular motion, how did we come up with 190 instructional days? Why not 195 or 180? Why was 190 determined?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Koe. I don't know if it's a fair question to ask, but Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are talking about a minimum of 190. If the given education board wanted to go beyond the minimum of 190 days, I think they are entirely welcome to do so. That's my understanding. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Minister, do you wish to assist us on that?

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is one of the problems with the amendment and the legislation, because if you set a specific time, then you can't allow a future regulation to amend the legislation. There's no flexibility in the ability of any board to add hours or, for that matter, the problem that you have is that, based on instructional days, the question is -- and I raised this point earlier -- what are instructional days, because there is no definition.

The present definitions that we are trying to use are such that they are related to ours. Because, for instance, if you have 190 instructional days, that would mean 190 instructional days for kindergarten. We don't have 190 days for kindergarten students. That would be a full day of school for all kindergarten students. That's an example.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. I see this has taken on a whole life of its own. The chair recognizes Mr. Ballantyne.

Committee Motion 70-12(7): To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North

Thank you. It seems to me the dilemma here is twofold. One, we heard from people that they would like to see a fundamental number of days that should be taught every year actually in the act, not left to regulation. But I see the Minister's dilemma is that, if you say it this way, it doesn't give flexibility to do what some of the boards said to us that they want to have longer hours in the winter and shorter hours in the spring, for instance.

Here's the problem, though. In order to achieve what the committee wants to achieve and also to achieve what the Minister wants to achieve, I think we have to figure out, if we want the equivalent of 190 days, how many hours per day are we talking about and then just do the calculation in hours. I don't have a problem if we do it that way.

What I will ask now is, what is the Minister's concept of the number of hours that should be in a day, and maybe we can then come to some agreement about the combination of the two of them.