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Review Of Student Financial Assistance Program
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe.

Review Of Student Financial Assistance Program
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned, there are lots of complaints about the timeliness of payments. I have some suggestions for the contractor who is doing the review. These, I don't believe, were highlighted in the terms of reference. One of the key groups that must be consulted with, as I mentioned yesterday, are parents. Other than the students, themselves, I think the parents are the people most impacted by changes to benefits and financial assistance for students. They have to be included as part of the study.

The other groups are the aboriginal groups. I know that many aboriginal groups are now providing, through whatever resources they have, bursaries and scholarships to supplement student income. They have to be consulted. The other groups are the counsellors and administrators of the colleges, universities and high schools who provide advice to students when they are filling out applications or when they get to the university or college.

Another group who are highly impacted by the current financial assistance programs are single parents. They seem to have the most difficulty with adjusting to post-secondary education, especially if they have to move a great distance. Careful consideration has to be given to this group of students.

Also, under phase I of the terms of reference, attention must be paid, as I mentioned, to the timeliness of payments made to students. Currently, most students need large amounts of cash when they first get to university or college, either to pay their room and board or to pay their tuition fees and books. I believe their first cheques are one or two weeks after they register and they submit receipts. It may be a month. This is a concern, especially for first-time students who are not aware of the needs for cash when they first go south or wherever they are.

I hope the Minister will consider these comments and incorporate them into the review.

Review Of Student Financial Assistance Program
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I am going to be speaking in my language. Yesterday, during session, I tabled a document. This paper contained the meeting that was held in Fort Providence. There was a motion passed during that meeting and a majority of the people who were at the

meeting had...What the motion was about was the gun law...What they objected to was the way the bill is presented.

For us over here, things are not the same as for people down south. We had invited Ethel Blondin-Andrew to attend this meeting. Bill C-68 was supposed to be read three times. It has been read twice now. We told her before it is read for the third time, all the concerns we raised during this meeting should be brought up to the Minister. (Translation ends)

Mr Speaker, last week, at the Deh Cho constitutional conference, a motion was unanimously adopted by all the delegates there with regard to opposition to Bill C-68. In that motion, we are directing our Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew to vote on behalf of the constituents of the Deh Cho area; that is, to vote against the third reading of Bill C-68 when it comes up in Parliament. Mahsi.

---Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 223-12(7): Status Of Funding Cuts To Victims' Services Programs
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is a return to a question asked by Mr. Dent on March 3rd with regard to status of funding regarding victims' services programs.

Mr. Speaker, Justice Canada has advised territorial Justice officials that funding programs of Justice Canada have been reviewed and that funding for victims' services programs in the Northwest Territories will be forthcoming to each program. These funds are available for this fiscal year and it is expected that the funds will be available in future years, although to what level is not known at this time.

Victims' services programs were made aware of the fact that funds were available, and many have applied for funds. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, although he is a familiar face, I don't think he should be taken for granted. I refer to our watch-dog for workers' rights, not in his usual seat today...

---Laughter

...the UNW's Ben MacDonald. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe.

Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today the western aboriginal leaders are meeting here in Yellowknife and I believe tomorrow they will be meeting with officials to discuss the northern accord. One of the major concerns and the theme underlying these discussions is the inherent right of self-government for aboriginal people. I would like to ask the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs what this government's position is on the aboriginal people's right to inherent self-government.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 504-12(7): GNWT's Position On Inherent Self-government For Aboriginal People
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have sent a letter to the heads of all the aboriginal organizations today and I have laid out what I thought would be a clear statement. It is this government's position that aboriginal people have the inherent right to self-government. We have said that consistently for the last eight years. We have negotiated that in the Charlottetown Accord and we continue to uphold that position, as does, apparently, the federal government. Such a right is in section 35 of the Constitution.

We went further today to say that we are prepared in self-government negotiations to recognize that aboriginal governments would have the legislative capacity to govern and that subject matters contained in the northern accord -- which is oil and gas, and minerals -- must be negotiated in the context of self-government. Aboriginal governments, regional governments or public governments, in the future, will have jurisdiction over such matters and will be tied to whether or not they wish to provide programs and services. So we have been fairly explicit in reaching the concerns of some of the aboriginal leaders.

The concern has been once oil and gas matters have been devolved to the territorial government, does that exclude forever any possibility, in the future, should there be a regional government by the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in, the Sahtu or the Deh Cho, that that would not be available for negotiations. I have said in a letter and I have said directly to them that this means that this government is prepared to support such a notion that in the future, 20 years or 50 years from now, should it become viable to negotiate forms of governments that would provide programs and services to aboriginal people and/or all people within a particular jurisdiction, we are prepared to discuss the extent of the geographic jurisdiction, and the subject matters which will include those that are included now under the northern accord. So this was a specific concern raised by the leaders of the Sahtu and I thought they were of concern to other aboriginal leaders, so I met with them over lunch, having just returned a few minutes ago and this was one of the issues that was raised. Thank you.

Return To Question 504-12(7): GNWT's Position On Inherent Self-government For Aboriginal People
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Minister made reference to letters sent to the aboriginal groups. I assume that he will be sharing those letters with us. Presently, some of the aboriginal groups are currently negotiating self-government and they are negotiating with the federal government. I would like to know what this government's involvement is and the guidelines being used in participating in these negotiations.

Supplementary To Question 504-12(7): GNWT's Position On Inherent Self-government For Aboriginal People
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in the past, for instance, when we negotiated the framework agreement under the Gwich'in claim and Sahtu claim, there was really no overall government position paper that was prepared to guide us through negotiations. So we have, as a ministry, developed a draft protocol and mandate discussion paper which Cabinet approved for discussion purposes. That is, Cabinet didn't endorse the paper as such but endorsed it for the purpose of consultation with officials of the aboriginal organizations. Some of the aboriginal organizations have responded, others haven't. The nature of the response has been marked by the fact that the federal government has yet to come out with its own paper.

At this time, it's our view that the territorial government will be involved and should be involved in self-government talks as a third party, but we've indicated we are open to discussions with the aboriginal leaders to make a final decision on that. They may very well decide collectively that they would prefer and find it more advantageous if the government comes with either observer status or as part of the federal team, which is the way that the claims negotiations were conducted.

That is the approach we have taken. We have asked very openly for the aboriginal leaders to advise us on the nature of our participation and involvement and the extent to which we will be taking part in the self-government negotiations. The letter that we sent to the aboriginal leaders will be shared with MLAs. I just wanted to make sure that the aboriginal leaders themselves had received the letters before we shared it and made public the letters to Members of the Legislature. So they will be circulated today. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. During the negotiations and discussions on the northern accord, some of the aboriginal groups expressed concern that the northern accord should not shape or prejudice the outcome of self-government negotiations. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the government's position on this concept?

Supplementary To Question 504-12(7): GNWT's Position On Inherent Self-government For Aboriginal People
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's our view that the wording within the northern accord as it is now, which the GNWT is proposing, gives the assurance to the aboriginal groups that it is our legal opinion that nothing in the northern accord prejudices or limits the power and the ability of aboriginal governments or other governments to negotiate subject matters contained within the northern accord at a future date. There may be one or two solitary legal opinions on the other side that do not agree at this time, but it's our view that the wording is generous and broad and provides that assurance, and we believe in that categorically. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. Most of the western aboriginal groups are in the process, as I mentioned, of negotiating self-government agreements with the federal government, and the Honourable Minister Ron Irwin from Indian and Northern Affairs has made all kinds of promises and commitments to various groups with what I am sure are very good intentions.

But from my understanding there has been very little progress made in these negotiations. So my final supplementary is, what is this government doing to help accelerate these discussions and negotiations between the aboriginal groups and the federal government?

Supplementary To Question 504-12(7): GNWT's Position On Inherent Self-government For Aboriginal People
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories has consistently conveyed to the federal government over the last few years that we are prepared to get into self-government discussions as quickly as possible and that the federal policy should be drafted and made available at the earliest possible date. It should be premised on the belief that the First Nations of Canada possess the inherent right to govern themselves; that the right includes many powers and jurisdictions; that it is contained within section 35; that the federal government should take a broad, generous approach to negotiating the rights of First Nations to govern themselves and that we would be supporting such an approach and have been encouraging the federal Minister to move forward as quickly as possible.

Having said that, we also recognize that the Minister has to do his homework, ensure that his colleagues are in support of the principles that he purports to support and believe in, that it's his job to get his colleagues, Cabinet colleagues and Liberal Caucus onside.

So, while recognizing that it should be done as quickly as possible, we've also been generous as a government in waiting for the Minister to deliver a policy that was stated in his own words, "due last April." So we are about a year behind but still optimistic that when the Minister delivers his policy, it will be well received and supported by the First Nations of Canada. Thank you.