This is page numbers 13 - 35 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was employees.

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Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Hon. Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Hon. Samuel

Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Kelvin Ng, Mr.

Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Hon. Manitok Thompson, Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since the 13th Legislative Assembly was elected in the fall of last year, the government and standing committees of the Legislative Assembly have spent many long days reviewing department multi-year business plans to determine the best and fairest means of dealing with our fiscal problem.

We have reviewed all the government programs and operations to identify ways we can utilize our resources more effectively, reduce expenditures and find innovative ways to live within our means. The conclusions that have been reached are that changes are necessary in almost every aspect of government operations. As a result, the services presently provided by this government will be impacted, capital spending will be reduced, and the manner that we do business will be dramatically altered. These changes will necessarily involve reductions in the size of the public service and in its cost.

Although the business plan review process is not yet complete, to date the process has yielded a number of areas of agreement between government and the standing committees on how the government can be restructured and downsized to reduce expenditures.

This process has also allowed the government to largely determine where positions will need to be eliminated for the 1996-97 fiscal year and to proceed with the implementation of these reductions.

All Members of the House recognize that the budget reduction exercise currently undertaken by this government has caused a great deal of uncertainty and anxiety amongst our employees and their families. It has been our intention since the outset of this process to ensure that the decisions on expenditure reduction and job elimination be taken in a fair, consistent and rational manner.

As importantly, we have tried to implement these changes in a manner that would minimize job loss by eliminating positions through attrition and redeploying many of the staff affected. To a large extent, we have been successful in reducing the number of lay-offs that will be necessary.

Mr. Speaker, this process will result in some lay-offs. Employees affected by these lay-offs will be dealt with fairly. They will be provided with priority on government job competitions during the period that they are on lay-off notice. Employees that are not re-employed may choose from a range of assistance such as an enhanced severance pay package or education assistance for one year.

Mr. Speaker, the number of positions that have been eliminated in departments totals 295. From this number, the total lay-offs required are 150; 49 of these lay-offs were implemented earlier this year and we are in the process of implementing the remaining 101 lay-offs.

The reductions in positions are reasonably balanced across the Territory when compared to total government employment in each area. Headquarters reductions are slightly higher than other areas as emphasis has been placed on minimizing the impact of downsizing on front-line staff and direct services to clients.

The 295 positions that have been eliminated constitute the majority of position reductions required in 1996-97.

There will, however, be some additional reductions over the year as some of the departmental consolidations and other strategic direction initiatives of this government are implemented.

There may also be some staff adjustments made by boards funded by this government to deal with reduced funding. The impact of these actions will become clear within the next several months. In all cases, Mr. Speaker, it remains our intention to implement these reductions in a manner that minimizes job loss and ensures that the staff affected are treated fairly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd.

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When this Legislative Assembly took office, it faced a potential deficit of $150 million for 1996-97. It has been a very difficult task to find ways to manage our way out of this problem. Together, the standing committees of the Legislative Assembly and the Cabinet have come close to achieving the objective of sound fiscal management in a fair and reasonable manner.

As we have reached agreement on the components of our emerging plan over the last few months, we have been announcing the initiatives that we will be implementing. On several occasions, we have stated that one part of the overall solution to our financial situation will require us to address the $460 million that we spend on the public service. This has resulted in considerable speculation and concern among our employees about what this will mean to them. Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is best, wherever possible, to put an end to that speculation and alleviate employee uncertainty.

In February, we met with our non-unionized employees and sought their input on the preferred means by which wages and benefit reductions should be implemented. Taking that input into account, the following changes will be made to the compensation package for non-unionized employees, including deputy ministers, managers and excluded employees, effective April 1. 1996.

- The $5,400 annual accommodation allowance will be eliminated by rolling it into the current base rates of pay. A 6.25 per cent reduction will then be made to the new base.

- The existing settlement allowance and vacation travel assistance benefit will be combined into a northern allowance that each employee will be entitled to. The northern allowance will have a fixed base of $1,750 in Yellowknife and will be adjusted by an index to reflect differences in the cost of living among communities. The new northern allowance is structured to ensure that employees can continue to receive the income tax deductions for travel expenses. However, travel days and winter bonus days will be eliminated.

The ultimate removal entitlement will be frozen as of March 31, 1996, and the maximum benefit will be capped. Ultimate removal will not be available for future employees. In addition, removal on initial appointment will be eliminated as a term and condition of employment and will be revised to support specific recruitment needs.

Medical travel assistance will be retained as a benefit of employment but will be brought into line with the benefits available to the general public through the NWT health care system. And,

Unique rates of pay will be established for excluded casual employees and summer students to reflect the work that they perform.

Mr. Speaker, these changes will be implemented April 1, 1996, for non-unionized employees. It is also our intention to eliminate the $5,400 accommodation allowance, effective August 31, 1996, for teachers and March 31, 1996, for all other employees, by offering to roll it into base wages as done for non-unionized employees. This will be subject to a negotiation process with the unions and will only occur when other changes to the wages and benefits for unionized employees are made.

Implementation of this decision on April 1, 1996, will avoid potential overpayment in wages and vacation travel assistance for non-unionized employees. The recovery of these payments could cause an unnecessary financial hardship for these employees.

The same concern exists for unionized employees. I have asked my officials to work out an arrangement with the unions that will avoid payment of vacation travel assistance in 1996 pending the results of negotiation of a new collective agreement.

Mr. Speaker, these changes to the wage and benefit entitlements for non-unionized employees reflect the new fiscal realities facing this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, 30 years ago, the United Nations made March 21st the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. This special day was declared for two reasons: It commemorates the sacrifices made by peaceful demonstrators in South Africa who were killed and wounded during a demonstration against apartheid in 1960, and it reminds us of the need to end racism.

Mr. Speaker, Canada is recognized internationally as a country of fair-minded people. Historically, we have taken a leadership role in efforts to bring about peace, prosperity and global harmony.

And we have laws to protect human rights and to promote the full and equal participation of all Canadians. They include the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Canadian Multiculturalism Act.

These initiatives have gone a long way towards creating a fairer and just society. But, unfortunately, unacceptable levels of racism and discrimination still exist within Canada.

Every Canadian has a stake in building a country that is free of racism. It begins with each of us and a personal commitment to change. It means reaching out and understanding each other. And it means respecting our differences.

All of us should take the time to think about this problem and the steps we can take to see that it is eliminated. Working together, we can make a difference. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Premier.

Minister's Statement 8-13(3): Sportsmanship Award
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of us can be proud of the effort Team Northwest Territories made at the recent Arctic Winter Games.

Alaska got the most medals, but our athletes got what I believe is the most important award: the Hodgson Trophy for fair play and sportsmanship. It's the second time the team has won the award since 1992.

We can be proud of our sports system in the Northwest Territories. Not only have we produced excellent competition results, our athletes consistently display tremendous respect for their opponents, the officials and the rules of the game.

Mr. Speaker, the important thing is how the game was played, not whether it was a win or a loss.

As a result, I also want to congratulate Alberta Premier Ralph Klein on making good on the bet we made about who would win the Hodgson Trophy in Eagle, Alaska.

To pay off the bet, Mr. Klein wore the Territorial team jacket during a media scrum in the Alberta Legislature yesterday. And his Minister of Sports and Recreation gave a statement in the Legislature acknowledging the presentation of the Hodgson Trophy to Team Northwest Territories. Mahsi cho. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Minister's Statement 8-13(3): Sportsmanship Award
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 9-13(3): Education Week
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, moving from school to workplace is a challenge for students right across Canada. Most occupations require a specific set of skills, and helping students move successfully from school to work benefits students and employers. It also helps this government reach its objective of strengthening the capacity of the northern workforce to meet the demands of the job market.

Education, Culture and Employment's strategic plan to 2010 identifies improving the link between school and work as a priority. To accomplish this, we must work with our partners. "Strengthening the Links Between Education and the Workplace" is the theme of Education Week, which is March 16th to 22nd this year.

There are a variety of projects and programs which the department, students, parents, business and other partners in education are working on this year which reflect this theme.

Mr. Speaker, as of this academic year, all students entering grade 10 must have a career and program plan in place. Every student and his or her parents, with guidance from school staff, will have developed the career plan the student will follow. This plan helps students select the senior secondary school courses they need to reach their career goals.

Other departmental initiatives designed to help students make the transition to the workplace include development of a strategy to integrate career education into curriculum from kindergarten to grade 12, and publication of an annual career development newspaper targeted to youth. I will be sending a copy of the newspaper to each Member of this Assembly for information.

Mr. Speaker, my department's six regional career centres have played an important role in helping students learn about the career options by organizing career and post-secondary fairs, and by providing support to school staff. Career centres also provide counselling, workshops, resources, assessment and employment support programs.

The new career and technology studies curriculum also plays an important role in helping students plan their careers and develop skills. The curriculum is extremely flexible, allowing students a good deal of choice in occupations they wish to learn about. These include communication technology, construction technologies, entrepreneurial skills, health sciences, renewable resources and the list goes on. Students learn the necessary theory and how to apply it in a work situation.

Mr. Speaker, partnerships with business and industry play an important role in career and technology studies. To ensure that the curriculum is relevant to the world of work, business, industry and post-secondary institutions have been invited to assist in the development, validation and implementation of career and technology studies. Students are expected to achieve at a level consistent with entry-level standards set by business, industry and post-secondary institutions.

The schools north apprenticeship program is another initiative designed to give students work experience. Students spend part of their time working in industry as registered apprentices and receive school credits under the career and technology studies curriculum. This year, six apprentices are participating in program pilots in four communities. They are working in the trades of carpentry, mechanics, hairstylists, partsperson and gasfitter. Education, Culture and Employment is developing promotional material to generate greater support and understanding of the program among students and employers.

Youth have further opportunities to learn about the workplace through the youth initiatives program, which funds organizations which help youth improve their workplace skills. In 1995-96, we have approved 28 proposals from across the NWT, for a total of $433,000. Some of the projects have focused on work experience in occupations such as welding, retail sales, theatre productions and recreational leadership training.

Projects offering career development through cultural experiences have ranged from on-the-land workshops for youth and elders to river rafting and outward bound-type experiences. One project helped youth with fetal alcohol syndrome -- or effect -- to make the school-to-work transition by coaching them and their now employers over an extended period.

The training-on-the-job program also helps young people gain skills for permanent employment by assisting employers to hire and train youth over a one to two-year period.

Mr. Speaker, to help students move successfully from school to the workplace, we have sent a list of potential Education Week activities to each school and board of education to encourage greater communication between schools, families and employers. I feet confident that strengthening these links will provide employers with a greater number of qualified employees and students with greater job opportunities. As Members of the Legislative Assembly, I look to your continued support for the development of a skilled northern workforce. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 9-13(3): Education Week
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Are there any further Ministers' statements? Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our last two-week break in our constituencies, I met with the subcommittee of the Hay River Seniors' Society on Tuesday, March 5th. The subject discussed is the apparent unfairness in the cost of accommodation between seniors living in public housing and seniors living in their own homes.

The conclusion of this committee is that a way should be found to equalize this disparity. This would require Hay River to propose an alternative outside of the existing housing policy rent scale administered by the NWT Housing Corporation. Rather than approaching a funding source to obtain money to hire a consultant, I suggested to the committee that the resources to make such a proposal to the Minister are probably available within the existing public service in the social envelope.

They would like the proposal to include, but not necessarily be limited, to some of the following components: comparisons between how much the government presently subsidizes seniors in public units versus how much subsidy and assistance is provided to seniors in their own homes using information which could be obtained from various seniors in the case of those in their own homes, and from

the housing authority in the case of seniors living in the housing units.

They would like to develop proposed maximum and minimum amounts that seniors could pay for accommodation based on their income; a proposed range of types and size of housing units which would be considered as a standard or adequate for singles or couples; identifying how much Hay River presently receives as a community in the area of support to seniors to assist in devising a more fair and even distribution of these resources.

A comparison between the proposed cost of assisting seniors to remain in their own homes versus the cost that the government currently pays for other levels of care for seniors in homes and hospitals. It was the feeling of the group that while free housing for all seniors may be warranted in the smaller, more remote communities, the policy in place at this time is too global. It does not take into account communities such as Hay River where the government could not possibly afford to house all seniors free of charge regardless of income, but the policy still benefits a few to the maximum and leaves many others with next to no support.

It is our hope that someone could be identified to assist with this proposal for the Hay River Seniors' Society and in question period, I will be asking the Minister of Housing to respond to that request. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Morin.

Welcoming Carolyn Mccabe On Her Return To Work
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The operation of the Legislative Assembly requires coordinated efforts of everyone on staff and we all appreciate their efforts. I am especially pleased that one particular Member of the staff has returned to her duties after spending a short time in hospital. I know that all Members and the Assembly staff will join me in saying a special welcome back to Carolyn McCabe, who has been a part of this Assembly for many, many years. I am sure she realizes she had everyone worried and we are glad to see her recovering so well and wish her continued good health. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Welcoming Carolyn Mccabe On Her Return To Work
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

MLA Sharks Hockey Practice
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night, I went to my first-ever practice with the now-famous MLA Sharks, the perennial cellar-dwellers in the annual competition with the media. The practice was a very inspiring one. Unfortunately, there were a few absences. The honourable Don "I Am In shape" Morin wasn't there, but we look forward to seeing him there on Friday. The honourable Ed "Hard Luck Bay" Picco was also absent.

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The honourable Levi "Eat My Dust" Barnabas was absent as well. However, the people who were there had a very high energy level and lots of enthusiasm. As for the skill level, let's just say we all tried really hard.

There was an example of intensity of play last night. The honourable Sam "Lumberjack" Gargan had a small collision with Kelvin "Pretty Boy" Ng.

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The result being, Kelvin bravely soldiered on for the rest of the practice with blood dripping down his chin, inspiring us to greater effort and maybe making him realize he should invest in a face mask.

Jim "Elbows" Antoine was there flying about as well, letting everyone know that he was there and ready to play. I can't forget my colleague Roy "Huff And Puff" Erasmus...

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... with his helmet from the 1960s...

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... dribbling foam down his face as he skated valiantly up and down the ice.

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The Member for Hay River, Jane Groenewegen, was there as well giving us all support, especially in the dressing room when she came to watch us all undress.

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Then there was the late David Krutko, our goalie, who showed up once the practice was over.

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I am just grateful that we have, as usual, a very strong staff to support us in our efforts and a coach like Mr. Hamilton. I am confident that tomorrow we will acquit ourselves well. Thank you.

---Applause

MLA Sharks Hockey Practice
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen.

Tendering Pol Contracts In Nunakput
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in small communities in the NWT, the price of petroleum products is a major concern. In most cases, the only supplier is the government POL contractor. Mr. Speaker, as the only supplier, the government is responsible to ensure that the lowest price possible is obtained from contractors who, in turn, will render a reliable service to communities and public.

This government has also stated it will, in the near future, privatize the POL facilities within the communities. Therefore, the public must be assured that the lowest price possible is obtained from perspective contractors.

Mr. Speaker, business people, the hamlet council and other members of the public in the hamlets of Tuktoyaktuk and Holman Island have requested this government publicly tender any present and future POL contracts to allow members of the business community opportunity to put forward bids to supply this essential service.

Mr. Speaker, I will be questioning the Minister of Public Works and Services on this matter at the appropriate time today. Thank you.

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Tendering Pol Contracts In Nunakput
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq.

Need For Chiropractic Services
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I start my statement, I would like to say hi to my wife and kids back home...

--- Applause

... and also to the communities of Pangnirtung, Broughton Island and Clyde River.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today on behalf of a constituent who has been suffering with back problems and back pain for many years. He is now at the point where his back pain, which has worsened over the past two years, makes it very difficult for him to do his job with the local housing association. He is suffering from headaches which can't be relieved by medication, and generally feels worn out.

Mr. Speaker, my constituent has done everything he can to deal with the problem, but he has been to the local health centre many times. He has been doing exercises recommended by physiotherapists who have been in both Iqaluit and his own community. And he has seen doctors many times. The exercise and physicians unfortunately do not seem to have helped him with his problem at all.

After years of trying to get medical help, my constituent is now very anxious to find a solution to his back problem, which seems to be very slowly getting worse. He has done careful research into the problem and has asked many people for help. He is now convinced that the services of a chiropractor may well be what he needs. From talking with a person he knows who had almost identical symptoms to his, my constituent is convinced that a chiropractor will be able to help him.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Need For Chiropractic Services
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Enuaraq.

Need For Chiropractic Services
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having tried everything else, he at least wants to give this option a try.

He has recently asked the Baffin Regional Health Board, with my full support, if the board would help to see a chiropractor. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Minister of Health, Honourable "Pretty Boy" Kelvin Ng...

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... is reviewing whether these services could be provided as insured services under medicare. Mr. Speaker, I believe that chiropractors can often help people with back problems. I think many of us know people who have been helped by chiropractors. I believe that in some cases, they can save money in our health care system by eliminating the need for expensive specialists and even surgery.

Mr. Speaker, I know that some doctors may argue that chiropractors are not real health professionals. Some doctors also believe that traditional healing methods should not be recognized by our health care system. However, Mr. Speaker, I hope that our Minister of Health will be open to consider health care treatment which will be effective, which our people believe in, and which probably will cost less than expensive physicians and hospitals.

I am pleased that the Minister is willing to review this matter, and I look forward to the results. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Need For Chiropractic Services
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.