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Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Hon. Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Hon. Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Hon. Manitok Thompson, Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my department has recently participated in the development of a handbook called 'Dealing with Child Abuse." I believe it will be an important contribution in helping to address a serious issue which I know is of great concern to all of us.

This handbook was developed in cooperation with the departments of Education, Culture and Employment; Health and Social Services; and, Justice, and with the support of the RCMP, Crown prosecutors and the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association. The book has been designed by northerners to be relevant to the northern context. It will build on some important work undertaken by these departments and agencies in recent years to combat the problem of child abuse.

The book explains the signs of child abuse and how to listen for a child's disclosure that they have been interfered with. Too often, children may try to tell someone that they are suffering abuse but the complaint goes unnoticed because those who receive it don't have the knowledge necessary to appreciate what is being said to them. This book will help solve that problem.

The handbook also talks about what to do when a child discloses that they have experienced abuse. Knowing where to go to make sure that the necessary reports are made to get the child some help and to initiate the necessary enquiries is an important step. This book describes how to get those things done.

I am also pleased to report that the work done to prepare this handbook has increased the interest in this important issue among educators. School staff are interested in pursuing more intensive training. We are encouraging them to invite their colleagues in policing, social services and health care to join them in this and in adopting joint planning initiatives to address this issue in their communities.

Adopting a collective approach to tackling the problem of child abuse has already produced results and I believe that much more can be achieved.

Mr. Speaker, departments and agencies which cooperated in the development of the child abuse handbook are also updating an interagency protocol designed to enhance their collective capacity to address child abuse issues. This government, for some time now, has advocated this kind of interagency, holistic approach to social issues and this is one area where real progress is being made.

Mr. Speaker, the goal is to make sure that when a child calls out for help, help will be there and the response will be the best that we can give. Our children can, and must, be able to expect that from us.

Mr. Speaker, we are all aware that we experience disproportionate levels of child abuse and child sexual abuse in the Northwest Territories. That will only change if we are prepared to have the courage and the commitment to confront the problem in every community. The best place to start is in the home; but I believe that we must also act to ensure that our schools are a safe haven where children can find those who will listen and provide help, if and when help is needed.

Regrettably, there have been some occasions when that may not have been the case in the past. It would be an oversight if I failed to mention that there have been some instances when individuals working in our schools, or in other agencies, have themselves been the perpetrators of child abuse.

I note, for example, the recently completed case involving Maurice Cloughly who, after a guilty plea, is now serving a lengthy sentence, and rightly so, for years of abusive behaviour. Students who suffered from that abuse have carried the emotional scars from what happened to them for many years. 1, and I am sure all of us in this Assembly, profoundly regret that such a thing could happen here.

My view is that we need to express a collective apology to all who have experienced abuse in that case and in others. We must commit to continuing to make sure that our schools are an inhospitable climate for those who would abuse children entrusted to their care.

Mr. Speaker, my hope is that, by helping school staff to better understand the dynamics of child abuse, by providing clear information about where to go to get help and by improving interagency and intergovernmental cooperation to address these issues, we are taking the most important steps to combat a problem which demands our attention. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon to Members of the Legislative Assembly. Last week, I was at St. Patrick's High School to present an award to a volunteer group; Students Against Drinking and Driving. They are part of a national organization of Canadian youth dedicated to solving their own problems. The students at St. Patrick's High School formed their chapter of Students Against Drinking and Driving in November 1994. The group is not so much opposed to drinking as they believe that people can enjoy themselves at parties and social gatherings without having to drink. They care about their friends and want to protect them from dangerous situations, especially where vehicles are involved. They get their message out to students through school assemblies, red ribbon campaigns, dry graduations and controlled parties.

They were recognized for their achievements earlier this year when they received an award at the national conference of Canadian Youth Against Impaired Driving in Regina. I want to commend their work and thank them for their helpful participation in the strategy to reduce impaired driving, with the Department of Transportation. With their cooperation, a chapter of Students Against Drinking and Driving has been formed at Sir John Franklin High School in Yellowknife. I think Students Against Drinking and Driving is a positive example of students giving of their time and energy for the betterment of their communities. I would like to see more students at other high schools across the Northwest Territories get involved in preventing the needless deaths and injuries that so often result from drinking and driving. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

National Access Awareness Week
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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since 1988, National Action Awareness Week has been challenging Canadians in the communities where they live, to take collective action to eradicate the barriers faced by people with disabilities. Participation in the Canadian labour force for those who are between the ages of 15 and 64 years of age is 80 per cent. Among Canadians with disabilities, it is 50 per cent.

Active employment seekers in the disabled community are unemployed at a rate of 30 per cent, compared to the national figure of 10 per cent in the non-disabled population. In 1990, the average income from all sources for working age adults with disabilities was $20,710. The average income for adults without disabilities for this period was higher, at $26,210.

The GNWT affirmative action policy identifies four target groups: aboriginal people, women in management or non-traditional jobs, indigenous non-aboriginal people and people with disabilities. While aboriginal people have the first priority under the current policy, it is important to bear in mind that all four target groups are underrepresented in the workforce. We must implement strategies to include all members of our communities in employment. Affirmative action for people with disabilities means making accommodations for the disabled. This includes setting goals and timetables for increasing the representation of people with disabilities in the workplace; consulting with representatives of the disabled community; developing training initiatives that are suitable to the target population; making special efforts to contact suitable prospective employees who are disabled...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. ...developing training initiatives that are suitable for the target population; making special efforts to contact suitable prospective employees who are disabled; providing physical access to buildings and access technology, and so on.

Eighty per cent of job accommodations for people with disabilities cost less than $1,000. With careful planning, measures such as ramps, railings, convenient parking, lower reception and service counters, accessible placement of merchandise, wider entrances and exits, and larger and more easy-to-read signs and advertising need not involve great expense. Without such improvements, though, people with disabilities are prevented from offering businesses their patronage as consumers, or their services as employees.

Figures from the International Association of Machinists Centre for Administering Rehabilitation and Employment Services, a federally and privately-funded program in Canada and the United States, shows that employing people with disabilities can considerably reduce social assistance payments and public welfare costs. American figures, for example, indicated that employing people with disabilities saved American taxpayers about $12 million for each $1.5 million invested. Employing people with disabilities, then, Mr. Speaker, can reduce the cost of public services and thereby reduce taxation levels. Money spent on education and training is an investment.

At a recent community meeting held in Gjoa Haven and hosted by the NWT Council for Disabled Persons, members of QuIlik Society of People with Disabilities voiced their concern about the transition from school to community living for young adults. In that community, Mr. Speaker, there are a number of young adults who are "finished school, but not finished learning," according to Mary Kikoak, the president of Gullik Society.

A day program that would offer both work skills and daily living skills to benefit these young adults is considered suitable by the members of Qullik Society in Gjoa Haven. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Proposed Make-up Of Nunavut Government
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to make a few comments regarding the proposed make-up of the Nunavut government. I am very unhappy because I am becoming more and more convinced that there has been a lie told to communities in Nunavut.

During the capital campaign that occurred last year, people were told that their new government would be highly decentralized. This would see Cape Dorset benefit from 67 new jobs; Igloolik, 93.5 jobs; Pangnirtung, 80 jobs; Pond Inlet, 77 jobs, and so on. These promises were made on a model conceived by the Nunavut Implementation Commission and widely used by the Iqaluit Campaign Committee.

Mr. Speaker, that is the reason my constituents voted for Iqaluit. If the Rankin Inlet model would have had more benefits for my communities, then we would have voted for Rankin Inlet.

Mr. Speaker, a grave disservice has been done to my constituents due to recent announcements by the federal government to fund the incremental costs at a lower level than required. I have tried to bring this matter up with NTI, but I have been answered with accusations of trying to unravel their special deal with the federal government to own and construct all the incremental infrastructure required.

Mr. Speaker, where NTI came up with this logic escapes me. My children and I, as beneficiaries, are shareholders in these institutions. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo, your time is up.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said last week, the health of the Nunavut economy will be better with a larger number and broader base of individual businesses, rather than the economy relying on four large corporations, regardless of who the owners are.

This is a straightforward and logical argument for me, especially if we put in controls to ensure that the Inuit population will get its fair and proportionate share. I understand that the president of NTI has been invited to the Baffin Leaders' Summit next month, and I look forward to discussing this further with him at that time.

I would also like to note, Mr. Speaker, that it appears that the largest newspaper in Nunavut, which is also the local paper for Iqaluit, appears to be actively discouraging discussions on the low level of incremental funding through means available to it. I hope that is not the case and I look forward to seeing much more debate on this matter in future editions.

I must say that I could not blame them for trying to limit debate since, as the funding stands now, Iqaluit will get most of the positions, most of the buildings and so on. Nunatsiaq News has a vested interest in making sure that the jobs do not go out to other communities and obviously a larger population and more government jobs would be very good for that paper.

Mr. Speaker, there was also a popular argument recently that the GNWT did this to itself by not responding to the NIC report. I will concede that there has been no formal written document issued until recently, entitled "Response to the NIC Report." However, I do know that the GNWT has made a tremendous effort, through correspondence and face-to-face meetings, to influence the federal Cabinet submission on the funding needed for incremental costs for the Nunavut government.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I must advise all residents of Nunavut that I will not stay quiet on these issues, despite the pathetic tactics by those trying to protect their own interests in the building of our new government. I look forward to meeting and dealing with these challenges head on in the next 33 months leading up to Nunavut. I especially welcome the opportunity to work with the NTI Board of Directors to build the best future we can for all the people of Nunavut. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to bring some good news and some not-so-good news. A former Government Leader of this Assembly had the opportunity to witness the marriage of his daughter. Mr. Speaker, that leader was Mr. Nick Sibbeston.

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Nick and Karen Sibbeston's daughter, Janice, was joined in marriage in Fort Simpson to Timothy McClelland, son of Nelson and Marjorie McClelland; long-time Yellowknifers. The ceremony and festivities were somewhat overshadowed by an aircraft accident of guests flying in to join the wedding celebrations at Fort Simpson.

Mr. Speaker, CBC reported this morning and gave a lot of credit to myself for finding the downed aircraft near Fort Simpson on Saturday. While this is true, credit should go to the skill and ability of another passenger: Brook Mattick, who is a flight instructor and pilot with Air Tindi in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, Brook had the knowledge, skill, ability and experience to fly our aircraft at lower speeds and altitudes and in the vicinity of other traffic, which gave Pat Scott -who is a CBC news reporter who was on the job -- and myself total freedom to give full time and attention to look for the downed aircraft which we found. From my perspective, full credit should go to Brook for a job well done.

I am pleased to report that both Lee Penney, the pilot, and Marie Benoit, the passenger of the downed aircraft, are in critical condition but are recovering in an Edmonton hospital. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Increase In Fees To Seniors' Facilities
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

My comment in the House today is with regard to the Joe Greenland Centre in Aklavik, which is presently in the process of being negotiated for community transfer powers to the Aklavik aboriginal council, which consists of the hamlet, Inuvialuit and Gwich'in members of that community.

One of the problems they seem to have run into through these community transfers is the current financial problems with the increase in fees the seniors will have to pay for staying in these facilities. The aboriginal council has been in negotiations with this government for a number of months. They are asking if this government would seriously consider, because they are in the negotiation process, not allowing the June 1st increases to affect those negotiations. That is one item that is presently under negotiation.

There has been an outcry by the seniors about the impact these increases will have throughout the North, not only in Aklavik. They have asked that they be assisted in that. I will be asking the Minister a question on this matter with regard to those negotiations which have been under way for a number of months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last six months have been trying times for us as legislators. We have struggled since November with the threat of an enormous deficit. At times, it seems that everything we have done has been driven by this dark shadow. With the limited time available to us, we have had to rely on the kind of difficult, painful solutions that have been employed elsewhere in Canada: job cuts; public service wage reductions; cuts and benefits to those in need; and, cuts to needed programs to serve northerners.

We have incorporated all of these into the budget we are reviewing this month. We have at least pushed most of the shadow back. Now, as we wind down the session and as government departments start planning their budgets for next year, it is time we looked at other ways of managing the resources available to us. We have to find solutions which do not hurt northerners. This will take a lot of effort and creativity on the part of all northerners. We have to look at creative ways of attracting financial resources to the North. We have to encourage responsible development in the North, but do so in a way that keeps as much of the money and benefits in the North as possible. For example, if diamond miners live in Yellowknife, rather than flying in and out of the South, more personal income tax will come into our coffers instead of the provinces. We could use our tax rate, the lowest personal income tax rate in the country, as a selling point to potential employees in new mines.

We also have to consider creative ways to keep corporate benefits from new development in the North. Some suggest raising corporate tax rates and others suggest lowering them in the hopes of attracting more corporate income to flow into the North and to generate more of our revenue to pay for the programs we need. We have to work with the federal government to finalize the northern accord and ensure that a reasonable portion of mineral royalties from new mines and existing ones stay in the North.

Since the federal deficit is a driving force behind our deficit, we have to encourage the federal government to be more creative in generating revenue. The Auditor General suggests that every dollar spent on tax auditing generates many more dollars in additional revenues from tax evaders. Some economists suggest using a very small tax on currency transactions to generate revenue and to stabilize global currency markets. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have

any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of these ideas have good points and bad points. Most need a great deal of careful analysis before they are implemented. We need to look at new and creative solutions and give them careful analysis so we can solve our financial problems with less pain and suffering for our citizens. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.