This is page numbers 199 - 230 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was nunavut.

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Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as it stands now, I don't believe so because there is no significant capital investment on the part of this government in the Tl'oondih operation. The other alcohol and drug treatment centres have had significant contributions from this government, so we have a responsibility to provide some core funding to them to provide services. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that's the point I'm trying to hit on: the whole question about fairness. You were saying that you were willing to contribute to facilities that you have developed infrastructure for -- Delta House, programs in Hay River and also alcohol treatment programs in the Baffin and within the Yellowknife region -yet they do not have to pay the costs of operating and maintaining these buildings because this government pays for that. My point is that I don't think this facility should be treated any differently than any facility, regardless of whether it's a private facility or built in the Northwest Territories by this government. In order to be fair to this program as suggested, it's a new program which is in its

second year, but in order for us to continue this program, we have to have the adequate resources to maintain and operate this facility. At this point in time, the Gwich'in have contributed in the range of $3 million to this program; it cost $1.3 million to build this facility out of land claims funding.

Did you get the question?

--- Laughter

The question was, will this government agree to treat the Tl'oondih Healing Society similar to any other program you have running in the North, when it comes to core funding.

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng.

Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we believe we've treated them fairly and we have negotiated a per them rate based on the projected clients who would go through the system to assist in covering off some of their costs. You have to determine what costs you are trying to cover off. We can't expect, as a government, to return all their capital investment of that operation in a relatively short time period when they have made a significant investment in that facility. We can expect to give them some form of return, but it is a matter of what is seen as satisfactory. As it stands now, we think there is a fair rate that has been put forward and negotiated. It continues to be discussed with their operators. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final question has been raised time and time again in trying to resolve this process in a speedy and quick manner, as well as in a fair manner. The more I raise this issue, the more I come to the understanding that it seems. like something isn't fair. Because an individual group has settled a land claim agreement doesn't make us any less than anyone else in the Northwest Territories. Under our land claim agreement, it is clearly stated that we are not to be treated any less than any individual Canadian, whether it is program services or establishing facilities. This is the only facility in Canada that offers the potential to families to be treated in one facility. It is the only family program that has been established. Presently, we have individuals operating that facility from Bellwood; the same facility we are sending people to from here. They are now working on behalf of the Gwich'in Health Society to run that program.

I don't see how we can be any worse off than a southern institution that has the same individuals running it. I strongly feel that there is some question of fairness here, especially with regard to groups that have settled land claim agreements and are starting to use their resources to do something that this government is presently responsible for when it comes to programs and services.

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

There was no question there. I would like to remind the Members that they have a preamble and their questions follow that. Members have a preamble and four questions. There shouldn't be continuous preamble, clarification of preamble, followed by preamble and then questions following that. We only have one hour and I would like to give every Member an opportunity. If Members keep repeating their preambles, there will be less questions asked by Members. There was no question there. Mr. Krutko.

Point Of Order

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Point of order, Mr. Speaker. There was a question in my statement. It was a question of fairness. I want him to answer the question with regard to being fair to an aboriginal group because of comprehensive claims versus programs being delivered and other arrangements where there are no land claim agreements.

Supplementary To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

That is a hypothetical question. I don't know how the Minister can respond. Would you like to respond, Mr. Ng?

Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Ti'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would respond by saying that we have tried to accommodate the Tl'oondih operation by negotiating a fair per them that would assist them towards their operational costs and there continues to be ongoing negotiations to further expand some of the services they may be able to offer, so we can hopefully increase the clients and the funding that would go towards their operation. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Ti'oondih Healing Camp
Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in relation to the upcoming forest fire season and will be addressed to the Minister of Renewable Resources. I understand that Renewable Resources is in the process of developing guidelines to give communities increased authority to make decisions on fire management and control this summer.

I also understand that there is a predetermined spending limit to conduct an initial attack using local resources and that the Minister has advised community leaders of this initiative if they wish to participate. How much will this spending limit be?

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Renewable Resources, Minister Kakfwi.

Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the spending limit will be $20,000.

Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Kakfwi.

Supplementary To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Could the Minister tell me, if the communities do not wish to participate in this, what are the alternatives for the communities?

Supplementary To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if the community does not wish to exercise this option, the Department of Renewable Resources, through its firefighting staff, will carry on with that responsibility. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I am also aware that three CANSOs are to be under contract for the firefighting season. I wonder if the Minister could tell me where those CANSOs will be based.

Supplementary To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, tentatively, they are going to be located at Lutsel K'e, Deline and Wha Ti. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 157-13(3): Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell us how long the contract on the CANSOs that have been contracted to do this work is.