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Return To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for his information. However, he didn't answer my question. The statement he had previously made said that in 1994, territorial air quality guidelines established levels of sulphur dioxide that should not be exceeded, in order to prevent environmental and human health problems. If Giant has to reduce their sulphur dioxide emissions by 90 per cent, I am asking if this means they are presently nine times over the level.

Supplementary To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I was trying to suggest that the Member could draw his own conclusions. I am not able to provide a technical response to the Member's question. I don't want to do a disservice to the mining company. It is important to use words in a proper phrase because we are dealing with an existing business. However, it is true that there is local concern about the high rate of release of certain pollutants from that particular mine. So we can say in general terms that we think it can be reduced by a very high percentage; 90 per cent is the figure we are using. We think within a reasonable time frame, Giant should be expected to upgrade and replace its antiquated equipment so that the rate of pollution -- if I can call it that -- is not continuing indefinitely in the future.

Further Return To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Considering the fact that we're talking about environmental and human health problems, and the fact that Giant Mines has a profit of over $10 million annually, why are they going to be allowed 10 years to reduce their emissions?

Supplementary To Question 178-13(3): Sulphur Dioxide Emissions From Giant Mine
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, at present, as far as I know, there is no particular law, either federal or territorial, that requires Giant to change the mode of operation. These guidelines and regulations that we are introducing are the initial moves that we're making to address a problem of pollution with Giant Mines. We are trying to take a reasonable approach to an existing business that is providing a great deal of income and jobs to the city of Yellowknife. We are taking what we think is a reasonable approach to address a problem. To do anything more dramatic would do a disservice to the community and to the industry. We believe we're taking a proper approach in the way we're approaching the issue. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6. oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board with regard to the transfer of occupational health and safety to the WCB. I wonder if the Minister can provide his assurance and tell us what assurances we have that the inspectors will be able to impose penalties to shut down job sites and, if necessary, mine sites, without political interference.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, political interference ... I want to assure my honourable colleague that the WCB and the recent transfer with respect to occupational health and safety will function as it always has; independent of political interference.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

179-13(3):Transfer Of

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

If the inspectors levy penalties ... I'm after information, Mr. Speaker. If the inspectors levy penalties for infractions under the various acts, who gets the revenues from those penalties? Does the territorial government get the revenues or the Workers' Compensation Board?

Supplementary To Question Occupational Health And Safety To Wcb
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure on that issue so I'll take the question as notice. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien.

Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance, in his role as chairman of the Cabinet Committee on Division. With the decrease by the federal government to our base of approximately $100 million, does the Minister know what gross expenditure base the federal government will use to determine the two new formula agreements?

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 180-13(3): Gross Expenditure Base For Future Funding Formulas
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, we're not aware of what the base will be, but I think it's fair

that certainly I am concerned, as my honourable colleague, that there is a slow erosion of our current base. This question is an extremely important one as we move forward in trying to determine an appropriate process for two new formula agreements. It is the number one priority of myself and my colleagues on Cabinet, and I intend to meet with Mr. Martin, the Minister of Finance, I believe on the 1 4th or 1 5th of this month to try to get some assurances and to try to determine from what base we're going to negotiate two formulas. As you know, with all the debate that's going on and the cuts that we've had to make, any further erosion to the base will mean fewer services and, of course, fewer benefits to both our employees and to the people at large. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 180-13(3): Base For Future Funding Formulas Mr. O'brien, Supplementary. Gross Expenditure
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in reference to division and the formula agreements, if the transition cost of $117 million is determined to be sufficient, where if any will the shortfall come from?

Supplementary To Question 180-13(3): Base For Future Funding Formulas Mr. O'brien, Supplementary. Gross Expenditure
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we're all aware of the announcement made earlier this week. Considerable debate has taken place both today and yesterday, and I'm sure the future debate is going to take place, with respect to the transitional and incremental costs. It's my understanding in my discussions and our discussions with Mr. Irwin, the $150 million for transitional and incremental costs; that's it. There are no additional costs at this time. That was my understanding of it. I suspect what will happen, Mr. Speaker, is that any additional costs required or any shortfall required will have to come out of the formula agreements that we have to arrange with the federal government. That's why this issue of the formula financing agreements for two new territories is of the utmost importance and priority to this government and to this Assembly. Thank you.