This is page numbers 557 - 601 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, the suicide rate for teenagers in the Northwest Territories is two and a half times the national average. This is a serious concern for this government, for the education and health care systems, as well as for communities and families. A better understanding of the factors that contribute to teen suicide is essential. Teenagers need information about how to deal with the pressures and stresses of their lives. People who care for, or work with youth need to be able to recognize suicidal behaviour, so they can find help for young people who may be thinking about ending their lives.

This evening, "Live and Well", a television series produced by Education, Culture and Employment, will air a show about teen suicide. The show is called "Facing the Pain: Suicide Prevention for Teens". It is a joint project between Education, Culture and Employment and Health and Social Services. "Facing the Pain" is a television drama created by a group of Fort Smith high school students. It follows the thoughts and actions of two characters as they contemplate suicide. The show includes educational information about how to identify suicidal behaviour.

The ultimate message of the show is that the only way to grow as a person, and the only way to deal effectively with problems, is to face painful situations. The two characters in the TV drama eventually recognize that their lives are valuable and take steps to resolve their problems. The show also emphasizes that talking about suicide and personal problems is the first stop towards healing.

After the drama is aired, people will have the opportunity to phone the show to ask questions or discuss issues. Professional counsellors from various health backgrounds will be screening the calls. Members of the audience will also be able to e-mail or fax their thoughts about the show.

"Facing the Pain" will be shown on Television Northern Canada, that is TVNC, tonight at 6:30 p.m., Mountain Standard Time. It will be repeated on Friday at 11:00 a.m. and Monday night at 8:00 p.m., Mountain Standard Time.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi and I met with the Honourable Ron Irwin, Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs, in Calgary on February 8. I am pleased to inform you that Minister Irwin has announced his continuing support, along with the Government of the Northwest Territories, for the Constitutional Working Group working to have a new constitution in place for the western territory when the NWT is divided in 1999.

Minister Irwin also joined the Government of the Northwest Territories in accepting the general objectives set out by the Constitutional Working Group in Partners in a New Beginning, as the basis for developing a new model of government for the western territory. The bottom line objective in the Partners proposal is to bring together public government and aboriginal self-government at the territorial level in a manner consistent with the constitution of Canada, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, treaties, land claims and self-government agreements.

Together with Mr. Irwin, we agree that we must work diligently towards a new Act, passed by Parliament, which will replace the existing Northwest Territories Act which no longer reflects our needs or the realities of the post-division environment.

Partners proposes that the Act be accompanied by a companion self-government agreement which would acknowledge and ratify the new federal Act as a system of government which implements, in part, the aboriginal inherent right of self-government at the territorial level.

Minister Irwin agreed that federal officials will work closely with the Constitutional Working Group over the next few months to help resolve any concerns that have been raised or which may be raised with the current proposal in Partners. He also agreed to seek support from his Cabinet colleagues once an acceptable final proposal is complete. We thank him for this and for his continuing support.

Over the next few months, the Constitutional Working Group will be seeking the views of the public on a constitution for the west, consistent with the objectives in Partners. It is our expectation that, based on reactions from the public and on input from the federal government, the Constitutional Working Group will produce a final constitution, consistent with the principles which we collectively support, that will then be put before the public for ratification.

Mr. Speaker, the date for division is rapidly approaching. It is essential that the Constitutional Working Group has the support and active involvement of the public and the federal government in order to complete a final constitutional proposal and see a new Act passed by Parliament before April 1999.

I acknowledge that the northern agenda is very crowded, but I strongly believe that, in key areas, and this is one, we need to get the job done. This is also the case in relation to establishing Nunavut, negotiating formula financing for both territories, streamlining government in accordance with fiscal restraint, and continuing to negotiate aboriginal land claims and self-government agreements. Some would suggest that we set aside the development of a constitution for the western territory until after division and aboriginal rights agreements are settled. Mr. Speaker, we simply do not have that luxury. If we allow the April 1999 deadline to pass, the pressure will be off and there may be very little enthusiasm or commitment to see the job done. I believe we need to act when it remains possible to do so.

I realize that it will not be easy for the Constitutional Working Group to complete its work and Parliament to pass a new Act before April 1999. That is why it is essential that Minister Irwin extend his support to the western constitutional process and commit himself, and federal officials, to engage with the Constitutional Working Group and the Government of the Northwest Territories to help arrive at a constitutional proposal acceptable to the residents of the west and to the Government of Canada.

Mr. Kakfwi and I welcome Minister Irwin's commitment and encourage the Constitutional Working Group to seize this opportunity to move ahead. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson.

Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Wednesday, February 5, 1997, I had the pleasure of attending the open house at the Yellowknife Women's Centre. The Yellowknife Women's Society recently received a grant from CMHC to do some long-overdue renovations to their facility. I had the honour of accepting an award in recognition of the many acts of support that the staff of MACA has given the Women's Centre. The award reads, "1997 Humanitarian Award of Notable Achievement and Excellence for the Advancement of Social Development and Community Prosperity".

As some of you may know, the Yellowknife Women's Society provides several services to the women of the Northwest Territories and their families such as: a hot lunch program; a food, clothing and furniture depot; and advocacy and support for women in their dealings with other agencies, employers, landlords, and the legal system.

The Women's Society has received an ongoing contribution of $30,000 from the GNWT, which assists with the core expenses. For the last two years, the Women's Society has received funding from Brighter Futures Canada. This is a federal government program to promote healthy babies and mothers, by providing high-risk pregnant women with information about health care during pregnancy and after delivery.

The efforts of volunteers are indispensable in a not-for-profit organization. Many staff members from MACA have contributed both time and money to helping make the centre flourish. They have taken positions on the Board of Directors. They have provided cooking and baking for the annual Christmas dinner. They have assisted at fund-raising bingos and have made many donations to the food and clothing depots.

I am very proud to be associated with this department. Please join me in expressing my congratulations to my staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson. Ministers' statements. Before we go on to Members' statements, I would like to recognize the Member for Yellowknife North, whose birthday it is today. Happy birthday, Mr. Erasmus.

-- Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

Notification Of Job Losses
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend I returned home and had a public meeting with the residents of Inuvik. At that meeting, I supplied some information to my constituents on the overall impact of the reductions that are happening in the community.

Mr. Speaker, my concern is that, with as much fluidity in the budget that has been put forward, it is hard to give a definite answer as to what is happening, when it comes to the impacts. One of the things -- I just received a call -- was a concerned person from Inuvik who had heard there were some PY reductions coming. The rumour had started that someone was going to lose their job. Right now, with the information I have, I could only put "potentially" and I think we need to address that. When we go through committees and we are at this stage, the budget is tabled in the House to have fixed information. When we go to our communities and explain the impacts, or the possible impacts, on a community of these reductions, that we would be giving accurate information. I do not want to be said to be spreading fear in the community that more jobs are being lost. That is the last thing I want to do, especially in the community of Inuvik, which has been hard hit already. So, I will endeavour to find out the correct information from the appropriate Minister during question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Notification Of Job Losses
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Fire Education Programs
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is regarding to the whole problem that arose yesterday in relation to the fires in Fort McPherson and also other communities in the north. There has to be a mechanism in place to deal with not only the problem, but educating the youth and making them aware of the cause of fires and the destruction of fires and the effects that it has on people and the community.

Mr. Speaker, in the past, this government offered a learning not to burn program. This program raised an awareness amongst youth about the damage caused by fires, only the Department of Safety and Public Service cut this program. Since then we have seen an increase in youth in fires, including the fire in Fort McPherson and incidents involving some children setting fires to other children. Mr. Speaker, this is an urgent matter and has to be dealt with by this government. I believe that education is the way to go in dealing with the youth and making them aware such incidents that have occurred. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of MACA to seriously consider looking at implementing this program in relation to a "Learn Not To Burn" program for the youth in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Fire Education Programs
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Priorities For The Balance Of The Term
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been in office 16 months now. We took office facing a very difficult and demanding agenda. We are a third of the way through our term and we have 25 months to go until division. The budget and the deficit reduction program has consumed a lot of our time and we only have one year left to implement our next priorities, then, a year left to accomplish that. Our deficit elimination program is underway and, hopefully, under control and seems to be working baring any unforeseen disasters.

I have taken some time to sort out what seemed to be some priorities for the people of the NWT and for myself. There are many, many issues and sometimes the number of issues seems insurmountable. All are very important. But the priorities for me now, with 780 days left until the two new territories are created, division is certainly an area that I feel that we all need to concentrate on. In the division area, there are issues like formula financing, division of assets, GNWT staff employment, and ongoing east/west relationships among some of the issues.

Then, of the other major issues that are of great importance to me, is job creation. This includes the student employment program. Another item is tackling our social, health, and education programs which always appear to be gigantic, the difficulties that we seem to face there. Another issue is creating a more effective and responsible territorial government. In that I see improving employee morale as a necessity and sorting out the affirmative action policy. Mr. Speaker, these are four major issues that I think we need to concentrate on for the next couple of months and two years in office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Priorities For The Balance Of The Term
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Western Constitutional Process
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to briefly comment on the issue of the constitution and the process we have laid out before us. Mr. Speaker, last weekend in Fort Smith there were some very clear comments from some of the leaders in regards to their opinions on how this process should unfold and directions that should be taken. I value that kind of input and it is the kind of input that we are going to be seeking from all the people of the western territory. I think it is very important to keep in mind that we have to proceed with the process underway. We have an opportunity that may not come again for awhile to look at what type of government we want in the western territory.

There are very strong opinions on this issue. The document that we put out provoked discussion as it was supposed to do. But I think people have to keep in mind that we have to go through the process and we need to hear from more than just political leaders. We have to hear from the people in the communities, all the communities in the western territory. If at the end of the day, we get a consistent message then I think we will be obligated to reflect that message. But I think that we have an obligation to very clearly tell the people not only what is in that package, but we have to communicate as effectively as possible all the things that are happening. This is a very fluid situation where there is a rolling draft. The Minister indicated that there has been a meeting with Minister Irwin and that they have made a sufficient move in terms of their involvement. So, we have an obligation in this House, especially the Members of the western territory and the Constitutional Working Group, to be very effective in how we communicate what is happening so that people have a full picture as they try to make the decision on how we proceed with the constitution for the western territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Western Constitutional Process
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Impact Of Anti-seal Hunting Groups
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) Many Members of this House spoke about the national media's video of seal hunting in Newfoundland. Today, I would like to talk about this a bit more. I would like to speak about how Inuit often bear the brunt of the media stories created by animal rights activists. The video seen a few days ago on national television showed seals being slaughtered alive. A group described this as cruel, criminal and out of control. Although this footage was a specific case in Newfoundland, my concern is that all seal hunters, including the Inuit, will be tainted with the same brush. What will Canada or the world think about Inuit people now? These animal rights groups have had a devastating effect on the livelihood of Inuit seal hunters in the Northwest Territories. We all know that aboriginal people have the highest unemployment rate, the highest suicide rate, and the highest alcohol rate in Canada. Mr. Speaker, these groups play on issues like this but seem to forget about how important it is for Inuit hunters to maintain their culture and traditional way of life. Anti-seal hunting groups say the seal hunt must end. This is not realistic or fair to Inuit hunters. The Inuit hunt not only hunt for fur but for food as well. Our traditional lifestyle is very important to us. We cannot allow people who know nothing about us, to tell us how we should live our lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Impact Of Anti-seal Hunting Groups
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Funding For Day Care Centres
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Good morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like to take this opportunity to talk about day cares. Mr. Speaker, as the former President of the Iqaluit Childcare Association, and having been and still am accessing day care, it is becoming obvious that the financial implications to students, parents and the different non-profit organizations that are running day cares is becoming of great concern.

Mr. Speaker, over the past couple of years with reductions to wages and increased costs, day cares have had to rely on fund-raising more and more. As we all know with the less dollars available out there, this is starting to have a negative impact on these day cares, because they cannot raise the proper funds to operate the day care. Also the cost of having a child in day care has increased. For example, Mr. Speaker, it costs myself and my wife $320 every two weeks to have our son in day care or $640 a month. Mr. Speaker, in some parts of this country, $640 a month would be a good mortgage payment. The financial help to help offset these costs are very minimal. Volunteer boards are having to deal with higher operating costs and lower monies being generated from fund- raising because of less money, as I said earlier, in the public's pocket.

Mr. Speaker, day cares provide not only essential services, but are also a place where a child can be brought up in a safer environment. Statistics have shown that children attending day cares have better opportunities to improve academically when they go to school. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be asking the appropriate territorial government Minister on our support to day cares in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Funding For Day Care Centres
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Socio-economic Benefit Agreements
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about a reference that was made by one of my colleagues yesterday in committee of the whole. The inference made was that the companies that come to do business in the Northwest Territories are just going to automatically deal with northern companies because we are here, because we are competitive and because we are going to go after their business. This was in relation to BHP and the fact that there was business going on between BHP and northern companies prior to any socio-economic agreement being signed or put in place by this government.

In thinking about those and reflecting on those remarks Mr. Speaker, it comes to mind that we have had many things in the north over the years. We have had uranium. We had had oil. We have had gas. We have had gold. We have had zinc mines. We have had many things. We have seen companies come in and reap the benefits of these natural resources that are here in the Northwest Territories and unfortunately many times these benefits have flown right over our heads. There has been nothing and no arrangement in place with teeth in it to keep these jobs and these monies in the Northwest Territories. I could give you an example here. I have had research pull out some old newspaper articles from Hay River. When Colomac, before they fired up their operation, their gold mine, Royal Oak Mines, big newspaper headlines in Hay River read "Colomac Chooses Hay River as Base", "Hay River Pickup Point for Colomac Mine", and how excited we were when we heard these things in Hay River. As time went on, eventually the pickup point, the contract was cancelled. Now today we know that there has been recently a memo sent out to staff of Colomac telling them that they can pick up their quick tickets at the airport here to come out of Edmonton. We were down to eight residents in Hay River that were actually working for that mine. Now for something like $200 a rotation, they can get picked up in Edmonton and dropped off at the mine.

So, I think it is very clear and my point is, Mr. Speaker, that it is about time that we did have agreements with these companies that come here and tap and take advantage of our natural resources. It is about time that those agreements did have some teeth in them. I really would like to applaud the effects of Minister Kakfwi and of his department on putting such an agreement in place, because I am still quite convinced that if history repeats itself, we would not be reaping those benefits but for those efforts and that agreement. Thank you.

-- Applause

Socio-economic Benefit Agreements
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Yellowknife Women's Centre
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister for MACA just made a statement concerning the Yellowknife Women's Centre. I too had the pleasure of attending the recent re-opening of the centre which underwent extensive renovations following a flood last summer. While I was there, I spoke extensively with the staff. The centre is a non-profit organization established by the Yellowknife Women's Society in 1990. Women and their families are welcome to use the centre's programs. Their services include: soup kitchen; emergency food bank; donated clothing and furniture depots; and kitchen, shower, laundry facilities. They also provide programs of advocacy and support services, family support services, lifeskills, literacy, parenting classes, nutritional counselling, and support to new and expecting mothers. Mr. Speaker, the centre is also used as an emergency shelter. All programs and services are free. I must stress that most clients are low income women and their families from the communities, not people from Yellowknife. These are people who are either passing through or have moved to Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, there are problems. The centre is run out of a house which has been converted to an office building. They receive program funding from the federal and territorial governments, but the money is simply not enough. They have to rely on donations from people like the Yellowknife Dene Bands, from the Yellowknife businesses, also from their own fund raising activities, and through the efforts of volunteers and staff. I have been informed that many of the staff are paid part-time wages but they work full time and even more, putting more hours than a regular full time position would do. As I indicated, the building is simply not big enough. There are over 100 people using the centre each day. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Yellowknife Women's Centre
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus.