Debates of Feb. 6th, 1997

This is page numbers 435 - 466 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Topics

Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Community Justice Conference
Educational Requirements In Anticipation Of Division
Resource Sector Employment Opportunities
Initiatives To Construct Curling Rinks
Cbc Radio Inuktitut Language Services
Release Of Book On Flyfishing In The Nwt
Representation On Behalf Of Nunavut
Measures Needed To Prevent Fas/fae
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Curling Rink Funding
Prevention Of Fas/fae
Adherence To The Bip By Communities
Responsibility For Pol Privatization
Status Of The South Slave Land Freeze
Mine Training Committee
Update On Resolute Bay Area
Sale Of Staff Housing
Status Of Unified Human Resource Strategy
Funding For Constitutional Consultation
Asset Transfer To Communities
Funding For Fas/fae
Alcohol And Drug Treatment Training
Drivers' Licence Photographs
Fuel Wood For Seniors
Privatization Portfolio
Responsibility For Environmental Liabilities
Written Question 13-13(4): Insurance For Education Facilities
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
To Defer Consideration Of The Program Summary: Financial Management Board Secretariat In The Department Of The Executive
Recommendation Of Committee Report 3-13(4): Infrastructure
Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Chairman. We are ready for that one too. Mr. Chairman I do not know if it is complete because we had to work long into the night, the staff, to get this information but this last year to date, we had 39 grievances at what they call the first level, 10 resolved at the first level. We have 43 grievances moved to the second level and nine resolved at the second level. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Todd?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I am told I had better get it right or I may be chastised. Moved/filed at the second level was 43. Resolved at the second level was nine. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Could we get an indication of what first level, second level, third level actually means?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If you do not mind, because Mr. Voytilla is far more versed in this than I am, I would ask him to respond to it so to give him an opportunity to be on TV and his children will see him tonight.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First level means a grievance that is dealt with by the supervisor level position in the department. Second level grievances get escalated to the deputy minister level or deputy head level of the department or the board and third level grievances are dealt with at the chairman to the Financial Management Board level.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate Mr. Voytilla's information. Yesterday the Minister had indicated that 33 grievances were sent to arbitration. If it is sent to arbitration, what does that mean? Does that mean that the grievance has been upheld and it is a matter of what has to be done to solve it or what does that mean?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

What it means, Mr. Chairman, is of course that as we walk through the first, second and third level of the grievance, that we have not been able to resolve the issue. That the last level of action is arbitration, which is given to a third party who is...The third party is agreed to by both parties, both the union and ourselves and then it goes to arbitration and this party makes a ruling on it. My understanding this ruling is then final. Is that correct?

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Voytilla

That is correct.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

That this ruling, once it has gone to arbitration, in which both parties have selected the arbitrator, is final. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Those numbers that Mr. Voytilla or the Minster had provided us with, were those the ones that were only the ones that were filed or did those, the grievances, or do those also include the ones that were ongoing and were filed in the previous year?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister. Did you want to make your capable staff respond at your discretion, Mr. Minister?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes I will ask Mr. Voytilla if he does not mind to answer the question.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The numbers that the Minister quoted were third level grievances that arose during the course of that fiscal year. Last year, yesterday I think he quoted 1995 numbers which were in total 33. That is not all of the grievances that are sitting at the arbitration level however.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. We are running out of time. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Those grievances that are sitting at the arbitration level, can we get an indication of which departments, boards, agencies, college, whatever, the number for each area?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The allotted time for you has run out. Mr. Minister.