This is page numbers 1239 - 1277 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was -.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Good afternoon. Before we start, I would thank the Member for Natilikmiot, Mr. Ningark for serving in my place during the last week. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and welcome back. Mr. Speaker, I am honoured today to provide Members with an update on what I consider to be a highly successful and productive three-day meeting with my colleagues from the four western provinces and the Yukon Territory. The 1997 Western Premiers' Conference had a heavy but vital agenda that covered a range of issues affecting the people who live in western Canada, and even more importantly, who live in Canada's north. Overall, I am pleased to report, the other Premiers are in full support of the Northwest Territories becoming more self-reliant and a vital member of Canada's political and economic landscape.

All five Premiers have personally offered support in our attempts to gain northern control over northern resources, as they recognize that our resources and our land play an important role in the future development of Canada. All five Premiers have agreed to support us in any way they can in our negotiations with Ottawa. More specifically, I have also gained their support in our efforts to convince the federal government to move Northern Affairs from Ottawa to the Northwest Territories. In my discussions with them, they all agreed it makes little sense to have people making key decisions on mineral rights and programs in the north based in the south. They see and support the overall value of the move in improving decision-making as well as the more immediate value of having these individuals contributing to the northern economy. With that kind of support, we have a stronger chance of being heard in Ottawa. Because now we not only are able to speak with the voices of the people in the north, we have the voice of the people of western Canada cheering us on and backing us up in our negotiations on issues and funding that affect our future.

I was also pleased to hear that the other provinces recognize the importance of economic development in the north and are directing their respective Ministers to meet to develop an action plan on northern economic issues. The Premiers acknowledge the constraints on northern economic development that result from lack of clarity on roles and responsibilities for program delivery. As they have at a previous conference, they also agreed that the federal government should fulfil its long-standing commitment to devolve remaining provincial-type responsibilities to territorial governments.

As part of our discussions on improving economic conditions in the north, we also talked about the importance of reliable, low-cost transportation systems to their economies. Overall, we all agreed the federal government, working with the provincial and territorial governments, should develop specific proposals for its National Highway Program. More importantly, the Premiers stated clearly that in developing funding arrangements for a National Highway Program, special consideration must be given to the needs of remote northern regions, which may have low traffic volumes, but which rely on the National Highway System for access, tourism and economic development.

The Premiers strongly support the Northwest Territories' efforts to gain federal support for a highway through the mineral-rich central Arctic or what we refer to as the Slave Geologic Corridor. Recognizing there is no surface access to the enormous potential that exists there, they agreed that it is in Canada's interest that this region be connected to the road, rail and port systems in the Northwest Territories, Alberta and British Columbia. As well, priority was also given to the highway in the Mackenzie Valley Corridor and one through the Yukon connecting Alaska to the four western provinces.

Mr. Speaker, as you can imagine in three days of meetings, both formal and informal, we covered a variety of important topics, ranging from youth employment to health and social reform. However, no matter what the topic, we agreed the western provinces and the territories must continue to work together to ensure we are heard at the national level. We have a unique perspective and unique needs. We will be going forward to the First Ministers' Conference in August with a strong voice and with a cohesive position on a number of issues facing Canadians today.

Overall, while we reached consensus on a variety of issues and agreed to work together on a number of initiatives, I believe the meeting was truly a success because our colleagues in western Canada are now recognizing and taking action to help support and secure the future of the north. They share in our belief that all Canadians have a vested interest in the future of the north and have pledged their support to work with us to help ensure that future is a strong one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng and the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today as they are attending to constituency matters in Cambridge Bay and Rankin Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the last session of this Assembly, a motion was passed to reinstate the Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program. The motion also made several recommendations about how to revise the program. Since that time, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has consulted with stakeholders to redesign the program so that it offers the best possible fit between the needs of NWT seniors and the financial constraints of this government. Today, I would like to again confirm to this Assembly that the subsidy will continue for this year, with a few changes.

Following the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Social Programs and the Seniors Advisory Council, the fuel subsidy will be indexed. The indexing system will use three delivery zones, which are based on the income support food allowance areas. Zone 1 includes communities in which the cost of living is the lowest, while Zone 3 includes the communities in which the cost of living is the highest.

Eligibility for the program will now be based on a household income test, rather than income of the homeowner. Because of this change, there will be no distinction between singles and families when determining eligibility. In the past, the income limit for single people was $12,972. The lowest limit of household income will now be $30,744 in Zone 1. The limit for household income in Zone 2 will be $35,000 and in Zone 3 it will be $39,000.

The department is proposing to find funds from within the existing Income Support Program to continue this program, rather than introduce any further actions, such as increasing the rents in public housing. Following the direction of the Standing Committee on Social Programs, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is participating in the review of seniors' programs to ensure they are equitable and provide access to services for those who need them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On August 8, 1996, the Premier and the federal Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development announced a joint commitment to develop a strategy for a system of protected areas for the NWT by the end of 1998. Through implementation of that strategy, a range of representative and unique areas will be protected to maintain the character and diversity of our land, while recognizing social and economic needs.

A conference in Inuvik was held in March which brought together over 100 representatives from aboriginal organizations, environmental groups, industry and government. They came to discuss the concept of a Protected Areas Strategy and to build partnerships. Generally those present supported the initiative and it became clear that although there is much to learn from the experiences of the jurisdictions adjacent to ours, the NWT must develop a plan specific to the needs and interests unique to northerners. Each region will have the opportunity to propose protected areas. Where claims are settled, the land use planning process will be the most effective tool to advance ideas. Where claims are not settled, we will work with individual communities to develop the necessary tools and skills.

Mr. Speaker, this is an opportune time to develop a plan to protect some of the land that provides so much to us. Much of the NWT remains undeveloped and there is currently agreement between parties to work together to provide opportunities for future generations that include the sustainable development of natural resources and protecting areas for their special values. The document I am tabling today summarizes the ideas and concerns expressed at the Inuvik meeting. These ideas and concerns will guide the development of the next phases of the Protected Areas Strategy. Mahsi.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 86-13(4): Mine Training Committee
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, late last year, I established the Mine Training Committee to provide me with recommendations on training and employment issues in the mining industry. One of the committee's mandates is to come up with ways that will get more northerners working in various aspects of the northern mining industry. The committee will also promote mining careers in schools and the colleges and will develop a promotional campaign to raise the profile and public awareness of mining in the NWT.

Committee members include the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council, the Metis Nation, Yellowknives Dene Band Council, a representative from the Kitikmeot region, BHP, Diavik Diamond Mines, Echo Bay Mines, Aber Resources, Women in Trades and Technology and the NWT Chamber of Mines.

The Mine Training Committee has been involved in planning Mine TAP every step of the way. I am very pleased with the initiative members of the committee have demonstrated through their work on the program. It is essential that in all our programs we match the employment needs of industry with training programs. I look forward to the continued success of the Mine Training Committee as it identifies and sets priorities that will translate into jobs for northern residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

Minister's Statement 86-13(4): Mine Training Committee
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you Mr. Speaker, welcome back. On Saturday, May 24, 1997 Natalik School celebrated its first high school graduates since the inception of secondary programs in 1994. Several students who had previously dropped out of school returned to complete their high school education. The youngest graduates of the class of 1997 are 19 years of age and the two eldest are 29. The majority of the graduating students have already applied for post-secondary programs of study to begin in September. The community is very proud of these graduates and applaud the inception of a program which ensures a larger percentage of students will stay in school and go on to complete their secondary education.

Mr. Speaker, in previous years students were sent to Yellowknife for their secondary education. Because of the difficulties associated with living far away from their families and communities, most of these students dropped out of school. Very few graduated. With a local high school program, more and more young people are staying in school or are returning to school to complete their education. The Natalik School graduating class of 1997, on behalf of my colleague, I would like to congratulate those students and I would also thank Charlie Lyall for providing me the information. They are: Kevin Iitoolook, John Ikilik, Sarah Jayko, Jennifer Karoo, Jayko Neeveacheak, Elaine Panigayak, Dora Quayaut, Lena Quayaut, Sally Takolik, Bonnie Tucktoo.

I will provide the names to the Clerk here for the Hansard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Members' statements, Mr. Krutko.

Member's Statement 364-13(4): Aklavik Flood Damages
Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to state that the flood conditions in Aklavik have receded in which the water is presently going down. The water is dropping, the ice has cleared out in the Husky Channel and in the East Channel. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is about the damage has occurred in the Mackenzie Delta, to people's property, especially cabins, in areas of the West Channel and also in the Mackenzie River system where the water was high.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister a question later on about what type of relief is in place to assist hunters and trappers and individuals who may suffer damage because of conditions such as floods and incidents like that, similar to areas of Manitoba where there was federal assistance to relieve individuals for property damage there.

I would like to ask the Minister at the appropriate time a question on that matter, especially in relation to the incident that just occurred in the Mackenzie Delta where property was damaged in relation to people's cabins and whatnot along the Mackenzie River system and also in the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 364-13(4): Aklavik Flood Damages
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past week Detah suffered the loss of one of their respected and hard-working elders. Mary Adele Sangris lived a hard but rewarding life. She not only raised and supported her family of 15 children but also helped the community and supported her husband Joe who was chief of the community for over 30 years. Most of Joe's life was spent like most people of the day hunting and trapping in the bush and travelling far distances for caribou hunts. Mary Adele and the rest of her family were at his side most of the time. During times of celebrations and meetings, Mary Adele would be cooking and helping her husband's guests feel welcome in their home and make sure no one was left out or went hungry.

Over the years she worked to make her community a safe and good place for her family and friends to work and live. She was also very active in supporting local politicians that ran for all levels of government. I know when I was originally elected in 1971 she worked to ensure that I received Detah's vote.

On Saturday the community, friends and family said goodbye to this great mother, friend and community supporter. The Dogrib region wishes to send our condolences to her family and know that she will be missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As today is the day of the federal election, I would like to make liberal use of my Member's statement and...

-- Laughter

-- Applause

...and make a brief comment about open government. Mr. Speaker, 19 months ago many of us were on the outside of this building looking in and we complained about decisions being made in the back rooms and many of us ran on platforms of open, accessible government. Since the election of the 13th Assembly we in fact have tried to open up our proceedings. We have substantially revised the committee structure as one way to do that.

Mr. Speaker, we faced a very difficult first two years dealing with budget cuts and other personnel matters related to restructuring but we are beyond the cuts now. We still continue to get a certain amount of flak about how we make decisions. In the Constitutional Working Group, for instance, we found out that it would be most wise for us to open up our meetings to the public and the media. The House, Mr. Speaker, is one forum for discussion. It is good for final decisions but the rules tend to restrict the flow of discussion on several topics. Mr. Speaker, as I have done in the past and at other meetings, I would like to suggest that we try to open up committee proceedings as much as possible.

Mr. Speaker, in my opinion and from personal experience I can tell you that there is a lot of very good discussion that goes on in committees, the kind of discussion that would be very beneficial for the public to hear about the complexity of the issues we deal with and the very important matters that are before us. Clearly there will always be situations that are in camera, personnel matters, budgetary matters and other sensitive matters but a lot of things could be done and should be done that are open to the public.

Mr. Speaker, people tend to fear what they do not know and they tend to see bogeymen when they think things are done in secret. My experience is that once people know that things are open, the bogeymen tend to disappear. In my six years on town council, we opened up our meetings and we found out that lo and behold, once they were open people did not show up. They came only for the major issues.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleagues are ruthless in their heckling on a Monday despite of the importance of this day. Mr. Speaker, most business in municipalities in committees is relatively routine, as it is in the Assembly. We talk about transparent, open government. As MLAs with the various issues we have dealt with and are continuing to deal with, we have found that one of the biggest issues is communication with the public and how we do that in an effective way. Committees provide one more way, in my opinion, to get information out and I think we are now ready to take that step. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take a minute today to congratulate two young northerners who have distinguished themselves in recent weeks. As you may have already noticed in today's issue of the News/North newspaper, we will be represented at the Miss Canada International competition next August by two people, Andrea Hansen of Inuvik and Karen McCaul of Yellowknife.

I am sure both of these young women will enjoy the pageant and will be excellent representatives for the Northwest Territories. As a side note, I would like to thank the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation for sponsoring Miss Hansen's attendance at the competition. I would also like to thank BHP Diamonds Inc., Creative Paper and Office Supplies, NWT Air and Force One, all of whom made donations to help Ms. McCaul who is still working on her fundraising. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause