This is page numbers 367 - 401 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Good afternoon. I would like at this time to thank the Member for Natilikmiot, Mr. Ningark, for taking my place yesterday as I attended the funeral in Kakisa. His work has been very much appreciated.

--Applause

Speaker's Ruling

Before we proceed with the orders today, I would like to provide a ruling concerning the tabling of unsigned documents in the House. The chair has the responsibility to ensure compliance with the rules, practices and procedures as established by this, and previous Legislative Assemblies. As Speaker I have to ensure that items such as tabling of documents and petitions adhere to the rules and practices. In carrying out that responsibility Members will recall, yesterday the honourable Member from Hay River tabled a note that was passed to her in the House. This note was unsigned and undated.

Although this matter was not raised as a point of order at the time of tabling, the issue of the tabling of unsigned documents is one of concern to the Chair because it raises fundamental issues with respect to the verification and authentication of facts that may be contained therein. Members may be interested to note that this issue has been the subject of some debate in this House in the past.

With respect to this, I refer Members back to my ruling of March 27, 1995, in the term of the 12th Assembly concerning the tabling of an unsigned letter by the then, honourable Member from Thebacha. That ruling reviewed the rules and precedents concerning this matter and clearly established the requirements and limitations as to the content for petitions and tabled documents in our House. I quote from page 612 of the March 27, 1995 Hansard:

It is my ruling that it is not an acceptable practice to table unsigned letters in this House, so therefore, all letters tabled, whether it be by the government or by Ordinary Members, will have to be forthwith directed from a specific individual or organization, dated and signed.

This ruling was clear and concise with respect to this issue.

It is my ruling that the document tabled yesterday by the honourable Member from Hay River does not meet the requirement to be from a specific individual or organization, dated and signed. Therefore the document is ruled not to be in an acceptable format for tabling and should not have been tabled in this House. I have instructed the Clerk to remove this item from the tabled document list and to amend Hansard to reflect this change. Thank you.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Canadian Council Ministers of the Environment Meeting in St. John's, Newfoundland. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Morin. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank You Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, last October, I tabled an Action Plan for the Transition to a new Western Territory. I rise today to report progress on measures being taken towards the creation of a strong and stable Western Territory in 1999.

It is critical that all leaders in both the west and Nunavut work together to protect our programs and services by making sure that the Government of Canada pays for the costs of creating two new territories. I am pleased to inform Members that a Western Transition Costs Report on the financial implications of division for the Western Territory is almost complete, and will be provided to Members in the near future. I expect that this report will help us to show the federal government that more funding must be made available to ensure a smooth transition in 1999.

On January 21st, I attended a meeting with DIAND Minister Jane Stewart at which western transition issues were raised. Minister Stewart has agreed to another meeting to talk about western transition in more depth. I see this as a very positive sign on the Minister's part, and I look forward to the discussion.

GNWT employees working in the west, particularly those in headquarters, want and deserve information on how division may change their workplace. Any employees who will be affected by downsizing in headquarters as a result of division should have time to plan their futures. I would like to assure Members and the public that we are working to develop a plan that will outline changes in staffing as quickly as possible. The plan will, of course, depend in part on discussions with the Office of the Interim Commissioner on contracts with the western government to provide some services for Nunavut during a transitional period. Representatives at the Nunavut Leaders Summit in Iqaluit earlier this month recognized that any contracting must be worked out in such a way as to allow the GNWT adequate time to make personnel, office space, training and other similar adjustments and arrangements and to recover costs. I was pleased to hear that the parties have committed to working with the Interim Commissioner to finalize an implementation plan by March 15, 1998, and look forward to seeing the details of anticipated contracting between the two new territories.

Members of this Assembly have recognized the importance of securing constitutional changes to ensure the representation of both the west and Nunavut in the Senate and the House of Commons. We have had discussions with the Government of Canada on this matter and expect that legislation will be before Parliament in the near future.

As was stated in the action plan, division will have an impact on the western economy. The plan identifies the need for measures that will help offset these impacts, foster economic stability and keep the confidence of investors and the business community in general. I understand that the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the Minister of Finance will review the future of economic development activity in the west in light of division, and outline steps we can take to reinforce our western economy. We have made good progress so far in transition planning although a great deal of work remains to be done. Our key to success in the commitment of the Western Caucus to keep western stakeholders informed and involved.

I also cannot emphasize enough the importance of continued cooperation among leaders east and west to ensure that the two new territories are created in an equitable and orderly fashion. I look forward to working with my fellow northerners both within and outside the Assembly in the coming months to meet the challenges that lie ahead. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng.

Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a status report on health and social services in the Keewatin region.

In September, 1997, the Department of Health and Social Services conducted a review of changes proposed by the Keewatin Regional Health Board. This review was initiated in response to concerns from Members of this House and the public.

From last October until two weeks ago, the Department of Health and Social Services worked at arm's length with the staff of the Keewatin Regional Health Board to help the board staff implement recommendations of the September review.

Two weeks ago, as Members are aware, the board chair and the chief executive officer resigned. Mr. Percy Kabloona, who was serving the board as deputy chair, was immediately appointed acting chair. Mr. Kabloona promptly consulted with all of the board trustees. Following their consultation, the board requested support from the department to bring stability to board operations until such time as a permanent chair and CEO are in place.

Mr. Speaker, we are currently providing help in key areas to the existing board trustees and their staff in order to ensure the effective and efficient delivery of health and social services and thereby regain credibility with Keewatin residents.

The department is providing the following assistance to the board.

- Since January 19, a senior department official has been acting as CEO;

- Last week, our assistant deputy minister was in Rankin Inlet dealing with management and service delivery board staff about staffing issues in general and specifically about how to re-establish the full staff complement;

- The department's manager of human resources travelled to Rankin Inlet with our deputy minister in the middle of January to deal with staffing issues and to assist in establishing an effective action plan to recruit and retain professional and support staff for the Keewatin Regional Health Board;

- This week the department has sent several additional people over to Rankin Inlet to work with the board; for example,

- Staff from our financial and management services division are conducting some financial diagnostic analyses aimed at establishing a viable financial management plan;

- The department's nursing consultant travelled to Rankin Inlet this week to talk about professional practise and recruitment strategies;

- Staff are available in Rankin Inlet to assist in rationalizing contract administration for the Keewatin board;

- Finally, we have provided staff to ensure that administrative support systems for the board are working efficiently and effectively.

Mr. Speaker, the acting CEO and Mr. Kabloona have conducted a series of conference calls to the communities who fall within the purview of the Keewatin board. These calls focused on the primary health and social concerns of these communities.

Further, the acting CEO and chair are planning visits to communities to assess the status of health and social service delivery and to address concerns the communities have identified.

The action plan will include:

- First, re-establishing front-line staffing levels, particularly for social workers and nurses.

- Second, stabilizing general practitioner services for the region. As I speak, arrangements for discussions with the Northern Medical Unit are being finalized. These discussions will focus on

- the needs of Keewatin residents; and

- determining how the NMU could assist in this area.

- Third, reviewing and supporting administrative processes.

- Finally, recruiting a permanent CEO for the board.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to add that the interim CEO and board chair will work with a joint committee at the staff level with representatives from KIA and each hamlet to ensure that ongoing concerns are being addressed.

Further, for the time being the Department of Health and Social Services will take the lead in managing the Rankin Inlet and Arviat capital projects. I believe that it is critical that KRHB staff remains focused on ongoing community programs and services over the next several months.

Mr. Speaker, some of the most critical issues that the KRHB currently faces are shared with other boards. These include such issues as recruitment and retention of health and social service professionals, physicians, nurses and social workers. As I mentioned earlier this week, I will table a plan to deal with recruitment and retention across the territories by late February.

As Minister of Health and Social Services, I have the responsibility to ensure that adequate health and social services are provided to all residents of the Northwest Territories.

I have full confidence that the measures laid out today, once implemented in partnership with the board, hamlet council representatives, and the Keewatin Inuit Association will fully restore the stability, credibility and confidence needed to sustain the health and social service system in the Keewatin region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to day to speak about federal assistance to assist the territories, particularly the western NWT, which as we know is hurting with layoffs and mine closures and so on. Last Thursday, I spoke about this a bit. I am not talking about asking the federal government to set a precedent as they provide assistance all the time, and also the Member for Yellowknife Centre touched on it yesterday and actually gave the act under which this is done. Under the act, the federal government has provided hundreds of millions of dollars to the fishing industries on the east and west coast, to farmers on the prairies when there is drought, the floods in Manitoba and to help people when they had ice storms in Quebec and Ontario. We need similar relief for the miners who have lost their jobs and also for the mines to ensure that no more mines close. Of course, this will only be until the gold prices go up. Similarly, in the diamond industry, we need federal assistance. We know that 80 percent of the money spent on diamonds is spent after the diamonds are mined. I am talking about a secondary industry, like we want to establish here.

Mr. Speaker, I am talking about detailed sorting for market, cutting and polishing diamonds. We know that people will come here if there is a proper setting. The mines have also said that they will do more here if we can demonstrate that it makes economic sense. Of course, we are not only talking about taking federal money because the GNWT could and should help here too. For instance, we could train people and help move them to jobs, if we have to. Also, aboriginal claimant groups have claims money which they now invest mostly in the south because there is no investment opportunities here, but they do want to invest in the north. They just need the opportunities. For example, an aboriginal consortium of three aboriginal groups want to put up a sorting facility, and they would invest in other parts of the industry as well. Mr. Speaker, what I am talking about fits both sides of the federal Minister's portfolio because the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs is responsible for both aboriginal people and the north. Federal assistance would help aboriginal people realize their potential and would help us end the days of the north going cap-in-hand to the federal government for most of our money. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus, you have unanimous consent.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said federal assistance could help the aboriginal people to realize their potential and also help the north end its days of going cap-in-hand to the federal government for most of our money. In fact, it is possible that we may not need any federal money if things are done properly, particularly, if they transfer royalties and the responsibility for land and mining to the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to rise to speak briefly on the issue of the proposed merger of the Royal Bank and the Bank of Montreal and the possible implications, most of which are probably negative to the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, this is one of the biggest economic news items that has come along in some time, and initial thoughts that I have heard indicate that there is up to 9,000 jobs potentially lost and that the biggest impact will be felt by small jurisdictions and rural communities. Mr. Speaker, in Fort Smith we are very sensitive to any kind of issue that relates to the banks because a few years ago the CIBC pulled up stakes arbitrarily and left us high and dry as a community and it is only because the Bank of Montreal was persuaded to come to town that we do have banking facilities. I want to ensure that, in fact, there is no impact that would cause a loss of those services.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Premier later today if he will, in fact, write to the Prime Minister and to the special committee that is reviewing this proposed merger so that he can raise issues on behalf of all northerners not just Fort Smith. Those communities that have Royal Banks and the Bank of Montreal like Yellowknife, like Iqaluit could possibly face significant job loss if there is a rationalization and a common combining of the banks. We have to ensure that there is no increase in service charges and in consumer costs to pay for this merger. We have to be sure in pursuit of being a global competitor so that like in the mid 80s and earlier 80s where the banks made bad investments down in South America and we, Canadians, had to pick up the price tag that we do not ever repeat that. So, Mr. Speaker, this, I see, is a very critical issue that will affect all northerners and a lot of individual communities. As I indicated, I will be approaching the Premier to, in fact, act on our behalf and write to the Prime Minister. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

Qujannamiik (Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my appreciation and to recognize the teacher of Ataguttaaluk School in Igloolik who teach the little ones from kindergarten to grades one to six. There are 254 students, starting from kindergarten classes in the morning and again separately in the afternoon. These teachers work very hard including some of the instructors who are not fully qualified as teachers but do work in their capacity as teachers' aides. There are three classroom assistants as well. They also have three Inuktitut language instructors who teach full-time in the lower grades and as separate subjects by grade six. I will name these teachers, Mary Kunuk, Eunice Uyarak, Susan Tulugardjuk, Mary Ungalaq, Amilia Angiler, Kanguk Akitter, Louise Uyarak, Yvone Kayutak, Pat Qulaut, Joana Quassa and Jeela Padlug. Mr. Speaker, these very special teachers are Inuit and are all women. I would ask the Minister of Education to make arrangements to present a token of recognition for these women. I suggest that this be done by way of a certificate of appreciation for my constituents. I will ask the Minister for his response at the appropriate time. Thank you. (Translation ends)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken in this House many times about accountable, transparency and public money spent for the public good. Sometimes when you ask questions in this form, a nerve or two will be hit, yet every Member has the right to ask questions. That is the fundamental aspect of our parliamentary system. I have listened with great interest with questions raised and statements made about the pay equity issue. It would seem that almost a revisionist history of events has taken place. Firstly, pay equity is the question, simply, of equal pay for work of equal value as stated by Mr. Todd. It is nothing more or less. The GNWT was asked almost ten years ago now, to make good on this principle. However, that

Legislative Assembly and subsequent Assemblies including this one argued it in the courts. We continued to appeal until finally last year we were forced by the last court decision to sit down with the UNW and negotiate a settlement. Increasingly in this House we have heard that the hoped negotiated settlement will be affordable and consistent with our availability to pay the outstanding amount owed.

Mr. Speaker, the majority of staff and employees who are affected by this case are administration and clerical positions. Because of the GNWT's precarious financial situation the Finance Minister has been guarding his comments, like yesterday on this fact. Mr. Speaker, in a consensus type of government where the boundaries between Cabinet and the Ordinary Members are not well defined sometimes it is difficult to be critical without the feeling of being personal. I find that everyday, Mr. Speaker, but questions must be asked; questions must be raised and questions must be spoken or the government would be a sham. I did not come here to rubber stamp policies or proposals, nor do I support the government's line on pay equity. Hopefully, our government will not try in negotiations to hold the hammer of pay equity, and its cost with the wage and benefits negotiations with our employees. I do not know how much we have to pay. All I know is we have to pay the pay equity bill, that has dragged on for almost ten years. At the end of the day with the lack of available information, we can only hope that both sides, Mr. Speaker, both sides will do the right thing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca

James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, the community of Kakisa put to rest a very loving and respected elder, Johnny Providence. Johnny Providence, who was also known as Uncle Ben, was born on February 22, 1916, in Meander River, Alberta, and passed away on January 21, 1998 in Edmonton. Johnny was the husband of Monique Simba Providence and the father of Andrew Providence. Many people from all over the north and some from Alberta came to Kakisa yesterday to pay their last respects to this kind and wise man. I understand that the hall where the service was held was filled to capacity. The hallways were also filled and some people had to stand outside as they came to say a final farewell to Johnny Providence. Mr. Speaker, the people of Kakisa should be commended for their efforts on this day and their help with the many people who travelled to this traditional community. A special thanks to Father Joseph Daley, who travelled from Fort Simpson, to conduct the service. We send our deepest and sincerest sympathies to Monique and Andrew Providence and to the people of Kakisa for the loss they have suffered. Mr. Speaker, Johnny was 81 years old at the time that he passed away. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Qujannamiik (Translation) Thank you, I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, after the meetings with federal Minister, Jane Stewart, at Iqaluit last month, several topics were discussed. As most Members of this House and the Nunavut public know, the federal government has to bring amendments to the Nunavut Act to the House of Commons in Ottawa. Mr. Speaker, there have been some concerns with the amendments and the reaction of federal MPs. By being proactive we could meet with them to discuss these issues and help with the passage of the amendments in the Commons and Senate. Some constituents and Nunavut residents have asked me about this, and I have discussed it with other Members and other Nunavut Caucus Members. All three parties want Nunavut to be a success and be discussed at the federal level in a positive light. Proactive lobbying could help take this place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I spoke about the concern I have with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Yesterday, also the Premier also spoke about the need for us here in the territories to control our resources. Mr. Erasmus spoke on it earlier. The Northern Accord is becoming a Holy Grail, Mr. Speaker, and we have been chasing it for years and still have not found it. What is left is dependent upon the federal government to act in our best interests on issues related to mines and resources. Right now that is not happening. We need DIAND Minister Stewart to focus on the economic development of the Northwest Territories and deal with the plight of our gold mines and our need for value-added industries from the diamond mines.

We, here, in the western Arctic have seen the Minister exactly twice since she was appointed. Once for a quick tour through all of the west and last week for a one-day whirlwind visit to Yellowknife. There is no doubt Minister Stewart has a great commitment to the aboriginal community. I agree that is needed. From the feedback I get, she does a great job in that area. I can appreciate that the Indian Affairs side of her portfolio consumes a great deal of her time and attention, but by not spending time tackling the issues such as mining, resources and economic development she ends up displaying a parochial, quote, "we know best what's for you," that irritates those of us who were refused an audience with her. If Minister Stewart does not have the time to work with us to develop sustainable industries, then it is time for DIAND to be split with the northern development part of the portfolio to be made into its own department. After all, that was the private sentiment of former DIAND Minister Ron Irwin, who felt the Indian Affairs side of the portfolio was overwhelming. I think we, in the west, deserve a great deal of the Minister's time and attention especially at this time in our economic difficulties. If Minister Stewart is not prepared to give us that time and attention, Ottawa should give us someone who will. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson.