This is page numbers 293 - 307 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Erasmus, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Charles Dent will be absent from the House today to attend the Beaufort Delta Leaders Conference in Inuvik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have received concerns about the quality of the NorthwesTel services in the community I represent. As well, I have heard concerns raised to me in Yellowknife about the quality of services, about interac services crashing on busy days in grocery stores, and people being told when they pick up the phone that all circuits are busy, try again later. It is the opinion of the people in Fort Smith that the system they have there, in spite of the good and hard work of the technicians who live there, is inadequate for the needs of Fort Smith. I have had banks tell me in Yellowknife that they cannot get multiple lines into their businesses. I wrote to the president on October 20th. I got a very nice, compassionate letter from the acting assistant vice-president of customer services. This lady who replied to me, seems to be very caring, but my concern is what does the president have to say about the services. Can he not be bothered responding himself? I know they are just a subsidiary of Bell Canada and they are a monopoly up here, but those times are changing. If they want to ensure customer loyalty, I think it would be important for them to make the effort from the highest level on down, to address the needs of the people in the communities.

I would venture to say, Mr. Speaker, I do not believe the people in Fort Smith and Yellowknife are alone in their concerns about the service from NorthwesTel. In fact, on my computer this morning was a message saying, NorthwesTel still cannot figure out what is going on with their communication systems in the north and bear with them, they will try to fix it up. While I thank the acting assistant vice-president for her letter, I am very disappointed that the president himself could not find time to put some attention to this issue. We are not alone in this and competition is coming and, if they want customer loyalty, they are going to have to start working at it because, Mr. Speaker, in my opinion, NorthwesTel, in spite of its good employees in the communities, has an image problem if nothing else. Thank you very much.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to inform this House that despite the lack of support from this government the Dogrib Rae Band has continued the construction of the Rae-Edzo airport. Mr. Speaker, with very limited resources the Dogrib Rae Band is training 20 people in the use of heavy equipment operation. Aurora college and 20 other government agencies have refused to provide support for a project which is probably more successful in training operators than many courses offered by the college. These young people are being trained to work in the construction industry by working long hours, six days a week. I am very proud of the work that has been done by these trainees. Mr. Speaker, unless the airstrip is completed and employees working at the mines are flown directly to their home community of Rae-Edzo, it will continue to be difficult to retain all these people who have to travel through Yellowknife before they get home. Experience has shown that unless employees are flown directly to their home community, social problems will increase. Mr. Speaker, the airstrip being built in Rae-Edzo will bring business opportunities to the community. It is not the intent of this project to compete with the capital city, as honourable Members from Yellowknife have expressed. Rae-Edzo has an unemployment rate of approximately 43 percent and my constituents feel that the residents of Yellowknife will also benefit from the airstrip. Studies have shown that 80 percent of the incomes earned in Rae-Edzo are spent in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, the work completed on this project has already

saved this government a significant amount of money. The Dogrib Rae Band is prepared to arrange the funding for this project if it can obtain a commitment from this government to include the airstrip in its capital plan. Mr. Speaker, unless funding can be found to stockpile material and complete the design work this winter, the project will be unable to continue next year. Will the Department of Transportation provide interim funding for this work? When will the project be included in this government's capital plan? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about some concerns that are out there regarding the potential division of the Workers' Compensation Board. The decision to pursue a transition arrangement was taken after the Western Coalition notified the government that there was no compelling reason to support the territorial government's proposal for a joint WCB. As a result, in August, Minister Todd indicated that discussions were underway to develop a transition plan for the division of the Workers' Compensation Board. In September, the Minister spoke about a $20 million operating surplus for 1997, and a catastrophe reserve of $10 million. There is $200 million accumulated in the investment account.

The question of course is, what will happen to these monies? The board has not notified employers, nor workers, on what plans have been made to deal with the impact of division. A number of stakeholder groups such as the NWT and the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce, the NWT Fire Chiefs Association, St. John's Ambulance, the NWT Construction Association and the NWT Chamber of Mines have been trying to meet with the WCB Board and key staff to discuss these surplus funds and other issues. These organizations have a right and a responsibility to look into this concern and ask questions - after all, they are the ones who contributed the funds in the first place. They are concerned that policy decisions may be made without consultation from the employers who pay into the fund, nor the workers who are the beneficiaries.

Some concerns relate to such questions as how will the investment and catastrophe reserve monies be divided, or will those reserve funds be returned to those who made the contributions? There is also concern by these organizations about the recent downturn in financial markets and how it has affected the investments of these funds. In other words what is the true value of these funds today? There is a need for the WCB to address these questions and the many others these organizations may have. I would urge Minister Todd, being the Minister responsible, to immediately address the concerns of these organizations. Later, in question period, Mr. Speaker, I will be addressing some questions in this regard to the Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Steen alluded to the visit that the Infrastructure Committee made to his community of Tuktoyaktuk and I would like to talk about that today also, Mr. Speaker. On the weekend of September 25th, I was fortunate enough to travel with Mr. Steen and the Standing Committee on Infrastructure to Tuktoyaktuk. At this point, I would like to thank the Mayor of Tuktoyaktuk, Mr. Eddie Dillon, and the hamlet council and the MLA for Nunakput, Mr. Vince Steen, for the wonderful hospitality that was extended to our committee. We were given tours of the hamlet, opportunities to meet with local residents and attended a community feast and drum dance in honour of our visit. On the evening of September 25th, the standing committee met with the hamlet council and members of the public for close to four hours. During this time, we covered a variety of issues which included the erosion of the shoreline, the nursing shortage, funding for roads, community empowerment and regional self-government. The experience of the trip to Tuktoyaktuk was of immense value to the committee and certainly for myself.

In the past three years, the issue that has dominated the proceedings and plans of the 13th Assembly and the territorial government has been the need to manage the precarious financial situation that we as a government have found ourselves in. Austere measures have been implemented; in some situations, we had to do more with less. The austerity has affected the very essence of the Northwest Territories consensus style of government.

Mr. Speaker, for consensus government to operate properly, it is absolutely necessary for the Members of the Legislative Assembly to know what individuals in a riding 1000 miles away from our own are concerned with. What will be the ramifications of our decisions outside our own riding? It is imperative that those who are involved in making decisions travel to different communities, meet with people and understand the problems within that community. If we had not had the opportunity to see for ourselves, the problems that are faced in other communities it is easy to become focused upon those within our own riding. For consensus government to function properly, all MLAs must pursue the collective interest of northern residents. If Members do not look past the interests of their own ridings, we destroy the very foundation upon which consensus government operates. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry, you have unanimous consent.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to my colleagues. Again, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk for the wonderful experience and also Mr. Steen for inviting the committee to experience the

hospitality of that community. I would like to also point out that hopefully next time my colleague, Mr. Ootes, and myself will be able to join in the drum dancing too with better skills. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Iqaluit is experiencing very strong pressure with regard to the availability of housing. Social housing, as well as private family homes that are available for sale, are in short supply. The private marketplace is building new housing, but already much of this is spoken for. The local housing authority is also under pressure to supply homes that are not available. Mr. Speaker, proactive work and support of Mr. Arlooktoo, the Minister of Housing, has helped us replace our homeless shelter. The need for more housing will continue to grow as the community expands. Mr. Speaker, would extra funding for EDAP programs or other housing programs be available to help our situation? I have met several times now with our local housing association and our local Housing Corporation manager and believe that the new Nunavut government will have to address this serious concern very quickly in its mandate. Later today, I will have an opportunity to ask Mr. Arlooktoo some questions on the availability of EDAP programs for Iqaluit.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to talk about the concerns of airports, especially in the community of Tsiigehtchic that I represent. The community does not have any air transportation links either for aircraft or a site which has been located for airplanes to land. Mr. Speaker, the community of Tsiigehtchic, 12 to 15 weeks of the year, is cut off from the rest of the communities in the Mackenzie Delta during freeze-up and break-up. Mr. Speaker, one thing that we also have to realize that in case of emergencies and also for delivery of goods and services, the community does not receive produce and also access to the benefits that other communities get because of having an airstrip or access year-round.

It is important that all communities in the Northwest Territories have adequate air support in regard to airports. I think what Rae and the community of Tsiigehtchic are asking for, is something not more than any other community has, year-round access by air. It is important, especially during emergencies, that they do have the ability to have a way of having their emergencies dealt with by aircraft which are accessible and also during those times of the year when there are a lot of cases where we find ourselves in an emergency situation, where there are no nurses in these communities. Also the whole cost of living goes up because of having to find other ways of getting your goods and services in. Because these communities do not have airports, they are not eligible for federal funding in regard to the subsidies communities get for groceries and what-not which are mailed to your communities. I think also that should be looked at by this government. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister a question on the problem in Tsiigehtchic and what is being done about it. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Similar to Mr. Miltenberger, I had also written a letter to NorthwesTel concerning some complaints I had received. I received a letter indicating that basically there is nothing wrong. Mr. Speaker, there have been many occasions, and too many of those occasions for my wife, that when I have had to phone home from a community and when we were talking we could hear echoes and sounds like the ocean is in the background. One time she thought I was calling from Hawaii.

--Laughter

Also, Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of times when you phone information and you have to wait and wait and wait and wait, or you could phone the operator and you have to wait for an awful long time. These things, I think, are unacceptable when we are moving towards that area, a time, when we are going to open up this territory for competition. There are also other times when you are in the middle of a telephone conversation and you get disconnected. We should not have to deal with those types of things, Mr. Speaker. When we put in letters of complaint, we will expect that the company moves to try and rectify these problems. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, while my colleagues are talking about a communicating line problem in the territories, I want to talk about the same issue, which relates to the Kitikmeot region. Mr. Speaker, when I attended the Kitikmeot Leaders' Forum in Cambridge Bay, that took place from November 13 to 15, many issues I indicated yesterday were discussed. One of the important issues, I think, was the communication line in the Kitikmeot region. Mr. Speaker, communication is critical, especially in the smaller remote communities. The Kitikmeot Leaders' Forum recognizes, Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot region have continually experienced problems when attempting to call outside half the communities. Mr. Speaker, the isolated communities of the Kitikmeot region depend on a reliable communications system. Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Leaders' Forum were looking for the alternative means of communication that can be accessed in emergency situations. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister of Health for alternative communication solutions in the event of a medical problem in

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Steen.

Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak a little on the NWT's Protected Area Strategy. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that this Protected Area Strategy would apply to almost anywhere in the Northwest Territories and my particular concern is for the Inuvialuit settlement region. Mr. Speaker, under the Inuvialuit Final Agreement, there were certain boards and committees established for anyone to have access to the development process that would be planned by developers. This was to allow all interested bodies and groups to put forward their concerns. However, the initial plan was that rather than have Greenpeace or Friends of the Earth, or other environmental groups controlling the Inuvialuit lands and development of Inuvialuit lands, the Environmental Screening Committee, the environmental review boards were established to make those types of decisions and recommendations.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that the GNWT has membership on these boards. Therefore, the people wonder why another agency is being set up that does not seem to recognize the existence of these boards that were established under the Inuvialuit Final Agreement for basically the same reason. Mr. Speaker, Inuvialuit have already designated 29 percent of their lands in the Inuvialuit Settlement Region towards parks, wildlife, sanctuaries of all types, and we are now finding that in order to have development, we are competing or having to address concerns of other groups in our area. If you take Paulatuk for instance as an example, in that particular park, we have lost the ability to have development proceed in that particular area. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Steen, you have unanimous consent.