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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I will direct my general comments to a couple of items that I will expand on when we reach the program summary of the particular activities. Specifically, I would like to address the question of interpreters provided by the Legislative Assembly in this building and the service they provide us as Members. Madam Chairperson, I am not sure whether the government has really addressed the situation on the question of if, in fact, we are benefiting from contracting out our requirement for interpreters. To some degree the question is going to have to be answered as to what happens to some of these interpreters, in particular those Inuktitut interpreters when division comes. Are they going to have an opportunity to move on to Nunavut? I do not see the west being in a situation where we would require them although, there is going to be a need for interpreters for the different languages that are left in the west. In particular, I am talking about the interpreters that translate for the Nunavut MLAs at this time.

The other question I will be addressing is constituency assistants' salaries. Madam Chairperson, as we attempted to point out in the past to the Management and Services Board, as a Member who has four separate communities to administer and represent, it is very hard. I do not think it is realistic to expect the Member to divide this particular one into four separate pieces so that every community has a representative that I could contact. I do not think there would be enough money left after dividing it into four. In fact, five is what is required because of the time spent in Yellowknife, that there is enough funding there to actually allow a Member to act and to operate efficiently. By comparison, Madam Chairperson, communities that have or Members that have only one specific community to represent, it is very easy to, from my perspective anyway, be able to attend meetings and functions within that particular community which is, in fact, your overall responsibility right there in one particular community of the riding. Therefore, there is an advantage to some degree where Members represent only one community. Mind you, the communities are larger but in a sense you can be available to attend meetings or have your assistant attend the meetings in your absence. By comparison, it would seem that you could use the whole salary for one constituency assistant. I do not think we have been very successful in the past in addressing this particular issue and it does not just apply to my ridings. There are many ridings that represent more than one community. I feel this particular shortage should have been addressed at some point. Even if you take constituency assistants' salaries as a whole and apply it to one individual, they are not paid very much in comparison to the amount of services that are required of them. I will be bringing up those particular concerns, Madam Chairperson, when we reach the activity summary of the Office of the Clerk. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Steen. In keeping with the process, move on to the next person who wants to speak and we will ask the Speaker to respond to these all at once. Next on the list I have Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The first thing I wanted to do was to congratulate the Speaker and the Clerk on being able to pave the driveway for the Legislative Assembly in one year when it was supposed to be done over the course of two years. They were able to save a considerable amount of money in doing this. Madam Chairperson, I think with all the visiting dignitaries that we have to the Legislative Assembly here, it was incumbent upon us to do this. I am glad we were able to do it in one year, as well save a considerable amount of money in doing so.

The other thing I wanted to touch on is something that Mr. Steen has already mentioned, the constituency assistants' salaries. I had an opportunity to look into it earlier and I know secretaries make more than the constituency assistants. I believe that at the time when people set the salaries for assistants, it may have been a part-time job and perhaps it still is a part-time job in some constituencies. However, Madam Chairperson, at the last election there were over 2,500 voters in my constituency and it is very, very difficult to serve that many people with a part-time assistant as well as having the person do research and helping to initiate new projects that a Member might want to do. In addition to that, when you have low pay for a good worker, good workers often will not stick around very long because there is an awful pile of better paying jobs out there. If you have a good person working then they will likely move onto another job unless they have another good paying part-time job. As I have indicated, I too, would certainly like to see something done to assist the constituency assistants get a better salary to live on so that we can do a better job and to ensure MLAs can retain good workers to maintain consistent service for their constituents. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, communication is very important in this particular forum. One area that I would like to speak to in general, if I may, is interpreting and translating. We provide interpreting and translating because we have seven or eight official languages. I think I can say on behalf of my Nunavut colleagues, Madame Thompson, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Mr. Barnabas, Mr. Enuaraq and myself, I think we are very lucky in this Assembly to have travelled throughout the Nunavut area to the three different regions during the educational process, other training and job-related travel. In essence, we were able to pick up the different dialects from different regions. A person who is confined to a community or to a region from the Kitikmeot, it would be really hard for an elder, even for the middle-aged to go to another region and be able to debate without any problem. What I am trying to say is, we have three different regions and the three different regions have different dialects. Perhaps it was partly our fault from the Nunavut area that we have not, Madam Chairperson, requested we get three different translators from Nunavut. I can almost see when Nunavut becomes a reality, there may be a need to have three interpreters even within Nunavut, one from Baffin, one from Keewatin and one from the Kitikmeot region in order to respect the different dialects.

Speaking about translating, interpreting, communication; I do not believe the people of Nunavut would want to have one unified dialect. We do understand each other because we are fortunate to have travelled throughout the Nunavut area. When the Speaker talks about division and the operation of two governments, in that respect, I hope that we will keep that in mind. You know communication is very important. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Would the Speaker like to respond to some of these general comments that have been made and then we will continue on with some of the other Members I have on the list? Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Recently, we have written a letter to Cabinet regarding the translation services and we may have a shortfall on the amount of money necessary to continue with this service. The other question asked, the response is that the translation services are now privatized. All services that were received under that are contracted. We may require an increase in order to continue providing those services. Madam Chairperson, the problem is we have not operated a year with this arrangement and we were unsure about how much money we required. That is the reason why we may be short and will probably need to request an increase.

The other concern that was expressed regarding constituency assistants is, in our budget there is $660,000 for constituency assistants for 24 Members. The Management and Services Board discussed the salary issue already and the best we can offer is in the area of holiday pay for $1,600 which we have included as part of that salary. The other observation, Madam Chairperson, is that some Members use their constituency assistant to hire a full-time position, others use part-time. Still further, others are using contracts. Other Members can use it to do projects, and also other Members can still hire constituency assistants on a seasonal basis, too. There are different ways Members are using it. Madam Chairperson, the constituency assistant dollars can also be complemented by using their constituency budget. There are a variety of ways of doing it, but if there is a directive from this Assembly to increase or to review, we can do that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Gargan. I have on the list, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. With regard to the whole question about the constituency assistants, I think the points which have been made are good in order to attract good employees and to keep these employees for a number of years so that you have consistency. We have to look at the

Page 530 overall area of exactly what is the fair price on the market for attracting assistants in different areas, especially in trying to find someone for $28,000 or $29,000 and to keep them for four years. I believe it is going to be awfully attractive in regard to the ability to serve not only the communities you represent, but to assist the Member while the House is sitting. Something has to be done to look at the whole issue to try to find a compromise so that when we do find good people, we are able to keep them.

Madam Chairperson, on another matter, in regard to the whole question of official languages in this House. We have cutbacks in regard to the different aboriginal languages that are presently being offered, especially TVNC when we are broadcasting in different official languages. We have to keep in mind that a lot of the people we represent are illiterate and they feel more comfortable hearing an item being discussed in their aboriginal language and being able to grasp what is being said than to hear it in English where it is a foreign language in which a lot of items are discussed. They do not really understand the topics, but I believe that it is one of the fundamental items we have in regard to the Official Languages Act, which has been passed by this government to ensure that the public is offered the opportunity to not only speak their language in different public places, but also to be able to hear procedures that do go on within the government in their official languages. In light of that, we should consider to take another look at that matter, along with implementing some of the initiatives or ideas that have been put forth to this Assembly in regard to the Language Commissioner's Annual Reports to this Assembly identifying certain items to be carried out so that we are aware of the concerns.

We have to take the time to get a feel for what the public is thinking in regard to the way that procedures in the House are being presently conducted in regard to the television time where a lot of items are being said up front, but there are a lot of other issues which we deal with at other times, such as in committee of the whole or through motions and petitions, in which a lot of these items are missed. We should also take a look at that item.

The other concern I have is in relation to the turnover of the staff of the Legislature, especially in regard to the research people we have and attracting people that we have had in the past. We have seen a lot of people leave in that particular area where they have put a lot of effort and hard work into their jobs to keep us informed on the different issues or researching different matters on behalf of the Members. I would like to thank those individuals who have assisted us in the past and who are no longer here. Also, keep in mind, in that area too, we have to be able to attract good people and keep them. The Legislature should look at that matter. Overall, in conclusion, I would like to thank the Speaker, along with Mr. Hamilton and his staff for assisting myself in this House. Thank you, very much.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. I have Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Just some opening general comments on the Legislative Assembly on the vision, goals and mission. Over the last couple of years, having been the rookie MLA and now having had an opportunity to reflect on the last two years of how this Legislative Assembly functions, I have found some very good things logistically as to how the Legislative Assembly works, the management structure and style.

I also note in the overview on page 1-3, that one of the mandates of this business plan we are about to look at, is to allow for the establishment of a fully functioning Legislative Assembly for Nunavut by April 1, 1999. That would be my major concern here.

About a month ago, when I was home in Iqaluit, I had an opportunity to look at the plans that were made initially for the temporary Legislative Assembly building. I understand that our Legislative staff have actually been working in concert with the architects designing that building. There were some flaws, for example, the library in the new building is 150 square feet, where this one is 1,500 square feet. Our Legislative Assembly staff actually picked up on that so I was very pleased to see that. I have some general questions later on, of the operations of the Legislative Assembly itself, the financial implications of the Legislative Assembly, the person-years at the Legislative Assembly and the hiring practices of the Legislative Assembly here in Yellowknife.

I would also like to compliment the Clerk, Mr. David Hamilton, on his recent appointment as the Chief Electoral Officer for all of the Northwest Territories, which was an Order-in-Council of the federal government, I believe. I would also like to say that the Assembly itself, the way it acts and reacts within its budget, has been very progressive. I would also note in my opening comments that the Legislative Assembly has tried to initiate some new ways of getting information out to the public. In this respect, the Legislative Assembly has put up a web page, which I understand is getting a lot of hits on the Internet. It is well done and very professional. I believe Mr. Sorensen is the Web Master. I have had some comments from my constituents on the web page. On that web page, they have actually put up new pictures of all the gallery, where you have people like Mr. Ningark, and yourself, Madam Chairperson, the Speaker and so on. Some of the pictures are very flattering, some have to be adjusted as I noted this morning when reviewing my own. Thank you, your honourable Member, Mr. Miltenberger. Those are just my general comments. I will have some good questions later for the staff, for the Speaker, Mr. Gargan, and his associate, Mr. Hamilton. I would also like to say, that sometimes in the Legislative Assembly, we get wrapped up in our own self-importance.

--Laughter

Madam Chairperson, that was demonstrated during the unity debate when we had this huge flag over the backdrop of the Speaker's chair when we were going to go live on TVNC, that C-PAC was going to pick us up, and everything was going to stop on Bay Street, and President Clinton was going to be tuning in, of course, none of that happened. Sometimes we get overly dramatic at the Legislative Assembly, and maybe that is something we could all take a lesson from. With that, those are my opening comments on the Legislative Assembly and I will have further questions on the fully functional Nunavut Legislative Assembly, staffing for Nunavut and other general questions on the operations and maintenance budgets of this Assembly. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Picco.

--Applause

General comments on the Legislative Assembly. Mr. Ningark is calling line by line. I am sorry. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. With regard to the concerns expressed by Mr. Krutko regarding the reporting of our session, we have the reporting done twice a day. One at 10:00 a.m. and one during the evening at 10:30 p.m., of either Members' statements or question period or both just to remind the Member it is being done and in all the languages. The other problem you mentioned with regard to the Languages Commissioner is that this department is under the overall operations of the government. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Gargan. Are we ready to proceed with line by line? If I could refer you to page 1-6 of your main estimates book. Legislative Assembly, activity summary, office of the Clerk, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $7,472,000. Agreed. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I would like to know at this time, under the main estimates on page 1-6, how many positions are dedicated to Nunavut at the present time, how many we are training for the new Nunavut Legislature? How many positions are identified right now in that business plan for 1998-99? Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Hamilton.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. There are no positions being funded from the current amount of money which are directly related to Nunavut. We do have positions, but they are being funded by other mechanisms outside the Legislative Assembly budget for positions that will eventually move to Nunavut.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Hamilton. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, if those positions are not funded by the Legislative Assembly budget itself, it also means that, indeed, the Mentoring Program with our own staff here must be taking place with those students. I would assume those people are under NUHRDS funding. If that is the case, could that be clarified right now?

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Hamilton.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Yes, Madam Chairperson. It is under the Mentoring Program and we have two people currently. One is the clerk assistant of committees for Nunavut and the other one is a policy officer that was under the Department of Public Works who is working on a three-month attachment from Public Works in our research division.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hamilton. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I understand that the new clerk for the Legislative Assembly for Nunavut has either been hired or will be hired very shortly. Will that position be coming here to Yellowknife to work with Mr. Hamilton under a mentoring program and would that be funded out of this budget or would that again be out of the nearest funding or out of the office of the OIC?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

I will ask David to respond.