This is page numbers 1367 - 1399 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Good afternoon. Before we get started, I would like to ask Members to welcome the Pages who will be working with us this week. The pages are from Mr Antoine's, Mr. Kakfwi's and my riding. From the community of Fort Providence there is Samantha Bonnetrouge who is to my right. Also, Troy Gargon and Brandon Matto. Members might be interested to know that Samantha and Brandon were part of a group of 10 students from the school in Fort Providence who travelled to the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida to watch the launch of the space shuttle Columbia live last month. Canadian space agency officials invited the group to a reception and a special tour of the facilities. The highlight was meeting Canadian astronaut Dave Williams. Mr. Williams agreed to take their school pin with him on the trip into space. It was truly exciting and valuable experience for the students. It is my hope that we, as Members, will make the trip that these Pages have taken to the Legislative Assembly a memorable learning experience. Again, I would like to welcome all the Pages to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories.

--Applause

Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, earlier this spring I released a supplemental report on the Creation of the Western Territory which identifies a number of the key transition costs related to the establishment of a new Western Territory. The report has been widely distributed and will soon be available on the GNWT website.

These costs include $10 million for staff retraining, $3.8 million for office space rationalization, $3.6 million/year for a Western Human Resource Development Strategy to build a representative public service and $500,000 to assist NWT bodies such as Sport North and the Status of Women Council in their preparations for division. As well, the report identifies the need for federal funding to cover both the transitional and incremental costs that will result from changes to western governance. The amount of these costs will be more clear as constitutional development proceeds.

As Members are aware, the Premier of the NWT has committed that no existing GNWT staff will be laid off as a result of division during the term of the current government. The $10 million identified in the report is intended to allow retraining of employees affected by the staffing adjustments needed to move to a smaller western headquarters.

We will use this funding to encourage and provide opportunities for any affected employees to pursue retraining if needed so that they can acquire specific skills required to fill vacancies in the new western government. Affected staff will be retained while awaiting a vacancy for which they are, or have become through retraining, qualified. The GNWT considers it very important to retain its experienced and skilled staff, and we are committed to treating staff fairly through the transition.

I would like to say a few words specifically about the new Human Resources Strategy included as part of the supplemental report, which I personally believe represents a very positive step in the creation of the Western Territory.

The Western Human Resource Development Strategy is designed to focus our efforts on the goal of a competent qualified public service which is representative of the public it serves by the year 2004. Over the past two decades, we have made considerable progress in developing a northern public service but we also know that there is more work to be done to reach our goals.

We know that partnerships and strategic alliances will be critical to our success. The strategy is designed to be flexible and leaves room for creativity in finding ways to meet unique local and regional as well as territorial-wide needs.

There will be opportunities for communities and regions to work with the GNWT to design specific initiatives tailored to their unique requirements. Groups such as aboriginal organizations, women's organizations, support for disabled persons associations, community governments, band councils, divisional school boards, Aurora College, and non-profit and private training organizations all have potential roles to play in support of the strategy. We will be consulting with these and other groups to develop partnerships and joint projects.

The effectiveness of the new western government will depend on the skill, knowledge and attitude of the public service. This plan would establish key building blocks on which an effective and representative workforce can be established and maintained.

I am very much looking forward to further discussions with western stakeholders and with DIAND, and to beginning the implementation of the strategy once funding has been secured. I strongly believe it will help us to build a better future for the residents of the Western Territory.

For the strategy to be successful, it will, of course, be important to ensure that it is adequately financed. As we did for Nunavut, we have proposed to the federal government that they provide incremental funding to support the strategy. A commitment of about $3.6 million/year over a six-year period has been proposed in the supplemental report on western transition costs. The report was sent to Minister Stewart requesting a meeting to discuss funding the costs identified. It is important to note that Minister Stewart had previously provided a verbal commitment that reasonable transition costs with respect to staff retraining and office space rationalization will be funded.

Since that time, Minister Stewart has indicated that she will be in a position to discuss the other important issues raised in the report this June. For the reasons I gave earlier, we are particularly interested in pursuing discussions with her with respect to the funding for the Human Resource Development Strategy.

I am looking forward to the upcoming discussions with Minister Stewart and will continue to keep Members informed of progress in securing commitments from the federal government to fund the transition costs identified in the report. Mahsi.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Minister's Statement 102-13(5): Prospects North '98
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the triennial conference and trade show, Prospects North, will be held in Yellowknife from September 21 to 23. This year's theme is Partners in Developing Canada's North. In support of this event, the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has provided a contribution of $150,000.

Prospects North is the most comprehensive business and investment trade show in the Northwest Territories (NWT). It showcases numerous economic opportunities available in the NWT, providing northern and southern businesses with an opportunity to advertise their services, expand their customer base and establish partnerships to maximize these opportunities.

About 450 delegates are expected at this year's conference. Organizers anticipate about 250 delegates from the North, 80 delegates from southern Canada, 20 international delegates and about 100 exhibitors.

We are pleased to be a sponsor of this worthwhile event. I am confident that it will generate future sustainable business development in the North, for the benefit of all northerners. Thank you.

--Applause

Minister's Statement 102-13(5): Prospects North '98
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson.

Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today about the Keewatin Pilot Project. I think it is important to clear up some of the misunderstandings and concerns about this proposal. Mr. Speaker, here are the facts:

1. Kivalliq leaders are not asking for more money, they know they have to live with their fair share of the territorial budget. What they want is more local and regional say in how that money gets spent.

2. There has never been any intention to implement the Keewatin Pilot Project before April 1, 1999. It would be foolish to try to make such a major change in government at this time. What we have achieved is the development of a model that can be used in any region, in either new government -- if the government of the day wishes to proceed.

3. This pilot project is not benefiting the Keewatin communities financially in any way. There seems to be some misconceptions about this.

4. The Keewatin communities are used to working together on a regional basis. Since 1994, Keewatin communities have participated in the Kivalliq Partners in Development. This is a regional and community development organization. Kivalliq Partners in Development has done many good things in Keewatin communities and therefore the leadership already had good experience working together. That is why they were interested in this pilot project.

5. There have been concerns expressed that my department has been spending too much time and money on this project. Let me make it clear that MACA has not dedicated extra resources to the Keewatin Pilot Project. Keewatin leaders have used their regular regional leadership meetings to discuss the project.

Mr. Speaker, communities accept that money is tight. They know that there is no longer enough funding available for all the capital projects that communities need. They accept that difficult decisions have to be made about which capital projects can be funded and which cannot. What communities cannot accept, Mr. Speaker, is that these decisions are made by the government, with little input from the people.

Communities continue to ask us why some projects get funded while others do not. I am sure that all of us face these questions when we visit our constituencies.

The Keewatin Pilot Project began more than two years ago as a partnership between the territorial government and the Kivalliq leadership. We wanted to find ways to increase local and regional decision-making authority while still respecting and preserving the authority of the Legislative Assembly to set budgets at the territorial level. Today, we have the foundation for a model that proposes changes to provide more local and regional authority and control.

Mr. Speaker, the principles of the Keewatin Pilot Project are consistent with this government's Community Empowerment Initiative. I am sure we would all agree that we should support community government to be more effective, responsible, accountable and, most importantly, relevant to the people whom they serve.

The concept of more community control and authority is perfectly in line with the driving principles of Footprints 2 and the expressed desire of how the new Nunavut government should evolve. Mr. Speaker, let me make it very clear that neither MACA, the GNWT nor the Kivalliq leadership will support a model that contradicts Footprints 2 or that would create problems for the new Nunavut government.

Let me say it again. There is absolutely no intention to try to implement a new model of governance or new approach to capital planning before April 1, 1999. It will be up to the new Government of Nunavut and the new western government to decide whether they wish to use a new capital planning system or whether they wish to leave the system the way it is now. We are simply providing another option which can be accepted, modified or rejected.

The Kivalliq Leadership continues to support the concept. We are now at a stage in the project where the work that has been done can be consolidated and given to the two new governments for their further consideration. The Kivalliq leaders will be meeting in Yellowknife on May 26 to review the progress to date. I have personally invited the leadership of NTI, NIC and the Interim Commissioner to attend this meeting. I know Keewatin mayors are hoping to meet with the Standing Committee on Government Operations and the Standing Committee on Infrastructure to address their specific concerns.

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry to say that there are some serious misunderstandings about the pilot project. I would like to correct these misunderstandings. Let me make it clear that the Kivalliq mayors and the senior administrative officers will not receive cash payments if they support this project. The Keewatin Pilot Project is not simply a scheme to pad the pockets of local Keewatin businesses. The delivery of Nunavut infrastructures will not be hindered by the Keewatin Pilot Project.

Mr. Speaker, the Keewatin Pilot Project is an idea. It is a new idea that makes sense for these changing times. It supports local decision making. It shows how communities can be given more flexibility to set their own priorities. It proposes a more mature and balanced relationship between the territorial and community levels of government. We have a wonderful opportunity to create new governments in Nunavut and in the west that can bring a meaningful, positive change for communities. I hope we will remain open-minded about new ideas that can help communities develop. I ask all MLAs and other northern leaders to support our work to try to find better ways to serve the people. After all, Mr. Speaker, that is what good government is all about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in recent weeks the public has paid an unusual amount of attention to one of our northern species of wildlife and the way it is harvested. A newspaper article in February prompted numerous letters and E-mails about wolves and the way they were being harvested near Rennie Lake, about 200 kilometres east of Great Slave Lake. The Beverly caribou herd spends part of the winter in the Rennie Lake area. This year, animals from the Bathurst herd moved further south than usual, meeting up with the beverly herd. As wolves follow the caribou, this resulted in more wolves than normal in the area.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, plans are being made for a series of regional workshops involving harvesters, researchers and managers. Their expertise and advice will help focus and expand the awareness of wolf management issues and concerns. We will use the results of the workshop in our consultations with co-management boards and aboriginal groups.

Wolf harvesting typically occurs in very remote areas that are not regularly visited by renewable resource officers. This summer, fuel will be cached east of Great Slave Lake to allow our officers to conduct more patrols in the area next winter. Mr.

Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is recognized as a leader in effective, responsible management of wildlife. We are committed to ensuring long-term, sustainable use of wildlife by northerners. We are also committed to ensuring that wolves, like all our wildlife resources, remain an essential part of our cultural and economic well-being. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure today to introduce three young people from the small communities I represent as an MLA for Nahendeh. I would like to start off with saying that Carilyn Jumbo, from Trout Lake and John Paul Tonka, from Nahanni Butte, the young man over there. Up there we have Carla Norwegian from Jean Marie River. I would like to welcome them to the Legislative Assembly and I hope that by helping us this week that they will learn what I do here and learn what you do here. They will have some learning experience here to take back to the communities. Mahsi.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to introduce three constituents from the Sahtu, Earl Zimmer, son of Elaine and Don Zimmer of Norman Wells; Natanda Oudzi, daughter of Helen Oudzi of Colville Lake; Megan Tobac, daughter of Edna and Henry Tobac of Fort Good Hope. They have come to Yellowknife to work as Pages in the Legislative Assembly and I know you will join with me to welcome them to our capital city. I would like to take some time to thank those who have contributed to this project in bringing these young people to Yellowknife. North-Wright Air provided free airline passes for Natanda and Megan to travel to Norman Wells. Canadian Airlines provided three free passes for Earl, Natanda and Megan's trip from Norman Wells to Yellowknife.

The Sahtu District Education Council donated $1,885 to cover the cost of meals and entertainment and my Executive Assistant, Lynda Sorensen is providing accommodation and is sharing the role of guardian along with myself. Last night, we welcomed them with a barbecue at Lynda's residence which included the Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew and tonight they will be playing mini golf. These young people are going to Weladeh School each morning to complete school work provided by their teachers. I have asked each of them to complete a report on their experience as a page in this Assembly and their impressions as visitors to Yellowknife.

I will remember this week forever, and I am sure they will as they make new friends, experience new and interesting things and learn about their government which they will take back to their communities. I hope they will share their impressions, their views and experiences with their classmates, parents and friends in their communities. Mr. Speaker, this fall, with your permission, I will be hosting students from Tulita and Deline. To Natanda, Megan and Earl, on my left, welcome and enjoy the week with us. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, hunting and trapping are occupations many people enjoy in the NWT. It was, at one time, the main driving force of the economy in the NWT. Although, it is no lucrative business, it does provide food, clothing and some cash money for people who practice it. Mr. Speaker, it is also recognized by this government and by this country, TFN and the GNWT provides a Hunters Support Program in Nunavut. We have an Outpost Camp Programs, Community Hunt Programs, Fur Incentive Programs, et cetera. Mr. Speaker, like many other occupations, it has some risks. Many hunters and trappers lost their equipment and in some cases, their lives. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister about the compensation coverage to hunters and trappers. Either regular coverage or an alternative. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development knows, the Northwest Territories is one of the few jurisdictions in Canada that does not provide an exemption for RCMP officers and Armed Forces officers from the usual residency requirements for hunting licences. The Minister has informed me that there is little he can do to help these officers. He has said that because the term resident is defined in the Wildlife Act, nothing can be done unless there is an amendment to the Wildlife Act, and that it is not a priority of this government right now.

Mr. Speaker, I have to request that the Minister take another look at this issue. I do not dispute that the term resident is defined in the act, but I wonder if he knows that nowhere does it say that a person must be a resident in order to obtain a hunting licence. As the Minister knows, the act sets up a hunting licencing scheme and the details of the scheme are set out in the regulations. The act itself sets out the eligibility requirements for only two types of licences. The act says that the qualifications for all other hunting licences are set out in the regulations. Certain hunting licences do require that the licence holder be a resident of the territories, but in almost all cases, the residency requirements are established in the regulations.

For example, the trapping/hunting regulations provide that only a resident may obtain a special trapping licence.

Mr. Speaker, if the residency and other eligibility requirements are set out in the regulations for one type of licence, surely they can be set out in the regulations for another type of licence. Unless, perhaps, the Minister is suggesting that the trapping regulations are invalid. It should be clear to everyone exactly what the requirements are for every hunting licence and I have no problem with a general residency requirement, as long as there are appropriate exemptions. Right now, it appears that department officials are refusing hunting licences simply because of their assumptions and impressions, not because of any section that says that they should. Mr. Speaker, I am suggesting that first, the Big Game Hunting Regulations and the Small Game Hunting Regulations should be amended to provide that a person must be a resident in order to obtain a Resident Hunting Licence. This amendment should then provide an exemption for RCMP and Armed Forces officers. The amendment should also exempt RCMP officers and DND officials from the requirement in section 44 of the act that non-residents must use outfitters and guides to hunt big game. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry, you have unanimous consent.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you colleagues. The amendment should also exempt RCMP officers and DND officials from the requirements in section 44 of the act that non-residents must use outfitters and guides to hunt big game. Section 44 is expressly made subject to the regulations. Mr. Speaker, I do not accept that this is too much for this government to achieve. All we need is a little willingness to try. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak on the issue that most of the communities are affected by the lack of programming for youth. Mr. Speaker, we need to address the needs of the youth. It is of great concern for me, and probably other Members of this House, and we can agree here today, that the needs to address the needs of the youth. Recently, we have all seen the problems and effects that leave young people uninterested and bored youth have had on society in some of our communities. Many of the youth feel there is no support in regard to a positive, productive place for them within our societies and communities.

Mr. Speaker, this is not only happening in my riding, but in many other communities across the territories. These areas of concern are not just on the territorial scale, but nationally and internationally. We listen to the daily news reports on the brutal crimes committed by teenagers which are so hideous and heinous, on the television. We must stop and think, why are these young adults/children doing these things. There has to be a positive approach to targeting youth at this time.

I feel it requires immediate and serious attention to deal with this issue and to address it. The youth need to be involved in a more mainstream decision-making process at the community level so that they can be able to see the direct results of their input in a positive light. They need to feel important and respected just like an adult to lift their self-esteem and to improve the activities and programs that we deliver on their behalf by also having their input.

The future leaders who will take our place in this House and elsewhere in our communities are the youth. We must take the initiative now to allow the youth to take their role in society and hear them when they say they are bored, disinterested. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to recognize an individual. Members are aware that many sport hunters are taken out on polar bear hunts, yearly around this time on dog teams, especially big game hunters from outside of Canada. This is especially helpful financially to those who own dog teams in communities. In my community people with dog teams take big game hunters out on the land to hunt polar bears and it takes them three or more days one way and sometimes the weather does not always cooperate. I would like recognition given to Pakak Qamaniq who owns a dog team, and takes big game hunters to hunt polar bear.

On April 9, 1997, he guided a successful polar bear hunt and again on April 9, 1998, a year later, guided a successful polar hunt. I have never heard of incidents such as this where someone guiding big game hunters succeeds like this a year apart to the day. This is a very unusual occurrence and during question period today, I will be asking the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, what his department is willing to do to recognize this individual. I think this is the first time this kind of feat has been achieved during this lifetime. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.