This is page numbers 35 - 56 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was pay.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

-O Canada

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Ningark. Good afternoon to all Members and welcome back to the continuation of the 6th Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly. I would like to thank the Member for Hay River, in arranging for the Reverend Craig Pitts and Mrs. Dorothy Pitts to be with us today to perform our National Anthem as a piano duet. Even though we have not met since June, I expect Members had a very busy summer with their constituents, family and friends. I hope you are all well rested and ready for the many challenges and decisions that must be made in the coming months leading to the dissolution of the 13th Legislative Assembly late next year. Of course, in six months time we will be saying good-bye to ten of our colleagues from Nunavut.

Members have much to do in a very short time frame and we have a number of legislative initiatives that must be dealt within that time. This may mean standing down some of the normal processes for review. The stress created by the pressure of time constraints can lead to frustration, but it is my hope that we will continue to address issues in a respectful and honourable way.

Keeping in mind our tight schedule, when it comes to the operation of the House, I intend to be strict with the rules. For example, during question period I ask that both questions and answers be to the point. I will interject if this is not the case with either a Member or Minister. I know both sides of the House will understand the need for this as it will make for more productive use of the question period.

We have entered the last year of this Assembly. I know that we, as leaders, will put aside any personal issues to take up our responsibility to create a legacy for the future that the people of the north will be proud of. This is the challenge we accepted when we were elected to the 13th Assembly and it is a challenge we will meet in the days to come.

On the lighter side, I must offer my thanks to the Member for Yellowknife North, who has invited all members to lunch at the SmokeHouse in N'Dilo.

--Applause

Perhaps there will be more such invites to come. I want to thank the staff of the Legislative Assembly for all their hard work. I am hoping that over the next few sittings, with the help of the staff, some social and recreational events can be organized, so that staff and members can meet in a non-work environment. Perhaps if the media is not too afraid, one day we will continue the MLA-Media hockey challenge. I would also like to congratulate the Clerk of the Assembly, who celebrated his half-century birthday yesterday.

--Applause

Although, I would remind the Clerk, Mr. Hamilton, that I am still eight months his elder. Once again, welcome to the continuance of the 6th Session of the 13th Assembly. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Federal/Provincial/Territorial Ministers of Health meeting in Regina, Saskatchewan.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise Members that the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Arctic Council Ministers meeting in Iqaluit.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today due to illness. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Ministers' statements.

Minister's Statement 15-13(6): Prospects North
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the business and investment conference and trade show, Prospects North, is taking place September 21st to September 23rd. There are 113 delegates registered, including 20 international representatives and over 80 exhibitors. On behalf of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, I would like to welcome these visitors to the conference and to the Northwest Territories. The conference theme this year is "Partners in Developing Canada's North."

Through speakers and working sessions, delegates will be exposed to information on the various economic sectors in the NWT and the business opportunities they offer. Interested investors can receive more information at the trade show.

The North enjoys many successful joint ventures. Partnerships between the private sector and government are one of the new ways we are doing business. We must continue to be resourceful and creative in our business dendeavours. The NWT offers a vast array of resources. With the ongoing settlement of land claims and growth of aboriginal development corporations, increased certainty and business opportunities are available. Investors looking for a new opportunity have come to the right place -- the NWT. As a final note, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank all the individuals who have worked to promote and support Prospects North '98. Thank you.

--Applause

Minister's Statement 15-13(6): Prospects North
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd.

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back colleagues and Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, nearly a year ago, on October 15, 1997, I provided written notice to the Union of Northern Workers to begin collective bargaining. Mr. Speaker, at that time, I set out two very important items that the government wanted to resolve. These two items were the rates of pay for the implementation of the new job evaluation system and a settlement of the equal pay complaint. Mr. Speaker, the government backed up its sincere desire for a negotiated agreement with the UNW by budgeting $40 million. Mr. Speaker, this is a significant amount of money, especially in light of the many other competing demands such as health, education and housing. Mr. Speaker, at collective bargaining we listened carefully to all the issues that the UNW brought to the table. Through negotiations, many of these issues were resolved and signed off. When it came time to discuss the government's two important items, the UNW refused to even talk. At one point, the UNW did show some willingness to participate in a joint review of the Job Evaluation System and went as far as to sign an agreement to that effect. However, the UNW did not show up for that review. Instead, when the UNW returned to the bargaining table, its PSAC spokesperson said he had specific instructions to not talk about the government's bargaining items. He said that he had no mandate to negotiate on these items.

Mr. Speaker, since the UNW had no mandate to negotiate rates of pay for the implementation of the new job evaluation system and a settlement of the equal pay complaint, a final settlement offer was tabled with the UNW. It was our sincere hope, Mr. Speaker, that the UNW would take the offer out to employees and seek the necessary mandate to conclude a collective agreement and a settlement of the equal pay complaint. Mr. Speaker, the final settlement offer that was put on the table is clear evidence of the GNWT's sincere effort to negotiate with the UNW. The offer would have enabled the government to implement a new job evaluation system and resolve the long outstanding equal pay complain. This would have been achieved with absolutely no down-side risk for any employee or the UNW. The offer represents more money in the pockets of every employee. Wages would have increased from between two percent to 31 percent in the first year and by another two percent in the second year. Affected employees would have received equal pay payments ranging from $790 to $33,199. Northern allowance increases ranged from $421 to $4,096 with an annual lump sum amount of $500 for everyone.

Mr. Speaker, instead of using the offer to seek a mandate from its members, the UNW adopted a strategy of trying to influence Members of this Assembly to bring a halt to efforts to negotiate wage rates based on the new job evaluation system and settle the equal pay complaint. Mr. Speaker, while this government ignored the UNW's rhetoric and personal insults, we did listen carefully to every issue and objection raised. We also listened carefully to comments by employees and the general public.

The general consensus, Mr. Speaker, is that the government's original offer is a good one and that employees would have accepted it if they had been given a democratic opportunity to vote on it. However, there were also concerns expressed about the fairness of the equal pay payments for former employees and with a job evaluation review process that did not have a fully independent chairperson.

Mr. Speaker, these concerns with the government's offer could have been addressed at the bargaining table, had the UNW raised its issues in that forum. Nevertheless, after hearing these concerns, we offered to make revisions to the government's offer at the bargaining table.

We also decided to negotiate revisions to our offer to provide simple interest on the equal pay payments. As well, we decided to consider appropriate revisions to reflect changes in point ratings resulting from the informal employee job evaluation review process.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, our offers to return to the bargaining table with the assistance of a mediator were met with allegations of bargaining in bad faith. Our proposal to return to the bargaining table, with or without the assistance of a mediator, was met with the precondition that the government, in effect, withdraws from the table the two very important items that we want to discuss. The UNW still insisted on its preconditions and its bad faith bargaining allegation even after the GNWT let it be known that it was prepared to take the settlement of the equal pay complaint off the table if that was the only outstanding issue.

Mr. Speaker, the stalling of serious negotiations has gone on for too long. It is time to bring the parties to the table tgo resolve outstanding matters in ways that will ensure serious efforts are made. Accordingly, it is this government's intention to follow the process as set out in the Public Service Act for doing so. We have, therefore, applied to the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories for the appointment of a mediator. With the assistance of a mediator, we wish to table a revised offer for consideration by the UNW. We will approach these

negotiations with an open mind and a willingness to consider all options. It remains our objective, Mr. Speaker, to conclude an agreement with the UNW on a package that includes rates of pay based on the new job evaluation system and a settlement of the equal pay dispute. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, welcome back. It is my understanding that because of increased revenues pursuant to our formula financing arrangements with the federal government as of March 31, 1998, we had experienced above annual surplus that was forecasted. I realize that with the contingency for the fire fighting this past summer and other unforseen circumstances, some of these revenues above and beyond what was forecasted will have to be used elsewhere. Mr. Speaker, is it possible to follow up on the motion passed in this House at the conclusion of our last sitting in June to use some of the extra surplus funds to re-base the Department of Education as per our motion in this House.

Mr. Speaker, with school having started in all areas of the Northwest Territories, reports of increased enrollments above what the funding grants were based on last October are coming in. The Premier has repeatedly said in this House that if the Assembly identified a priority, then the government would look at it as a serious concern. Mr. Speaker, the fiscal health of the Northwest Territories has dramatically improved over the past three years. Will the government look at the window of opportunity present and try and address the social concerns with education and health issues? Mr. Speaker, later today I will ask the Premier about these matters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about the passing of a great Gwich'in leader. Johnny D. Charlie was born in the Yukon Territory on December 24, 1930 to Alfred and Alice Tetlichi. Johnny had many brothers and sisters including the late John A. Tetlichi, who was a Member of the Northwest Territories Legislature. Along with his sister, Joanne Firth who was married to Ben Firth, Alfred and Alice moved to Fort McPherson around 1933, where Johnny met and later married Jane Bonnetplume on June 29, 1949. Together they raised 12 children, Johnny, Lorna, Alfred, Alice, Anni, Joanne, Jane, Andrew, Liz, William, Michael and a grandson Paul. Johnny and his wife Jane lived on the land, hunted, trapped and fished year round before he started working for Imperial Oil in 1960. He often told of the many times his wife would travel ahead of him with her own dog team. He said she was a strong and helpful wife. With their children sitting on the sleigh, they would travel many miles together.

Johnny served as a Band Councillor from 1960 to 1975. He became the Chief in 1975 and served until 1985. During this time, the Indian Brotherhood of the Northwest Territories, now known as the Dene Nation, was established and he worked tirelessly for the land claim over the years and got to know many of the Dene up and down the valley. He was very well respected by all those he met on his journey through life. Johnny also served as the Gwich'in representative on the Porcupine Caribou Management Board. The Johnny D. Charlie Scholarship was established for his many years of service and knowledge he brought to the board.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko, you have unanimous consent.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Johnny was also instrumental with the Dene Metis Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement which was initialled in Yellowknife in April 1990. He was also there for the Gwich'in leadership when the Gwich'in Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement was initialled on July 13, 1991 in Ottawa. He was also the master of ceremonies at the signing of the Gwich'in Agreement on April 22, 1992 in Fort McPherson.

Johnny was a church warden at the St. Matthew's Church for many years and assisted in the community in arranging baptisms, confirmations, weddings and funerals. Johnny had extensive knowledge of the traditional trails between Old Crow and Fort McPherson and for many years he led teams of people taking them through the old trail between McPherson and Old Crow. Johnny was a powerful speaker through which he impressed many people and made many friends all around the world. He served as mentor and advisor to the Gwich'in leadership and the Gwich'in people in regards to his experience as Chief and was helpful in the settlement of the Gwich'in Comprehensive Claim.

Johnny will be remembered for many things, his great love and affection toward his family, especially his grandchildren and great-grandchildren and especially where he dearly loved his nieces, nephews and grandchildren. Johnny also spent time away from his family, his wife and children travelling on behalf of other people in the Northwest Territories to represent them either in claims negotiations, Dene nation leadership meetings, regional council meetings in which that experience he brought to the table will surely be missed.

One of the things Johnny loved the most was dancing. In his later years he was even calling out square dances travelling to all the different communities, especially up at Midway Lake where he could be seen throwing corn meal on the floor so people could dance all night. As a husband, father, uncle, grandfather, great-grandfather and a dear friend, Johnny D. Charlie will be remembered for many years to come from his friends and relatives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later on today I will be tabling a petition from the Fort Resolution Health Centre employees of Fort Resolution. Along with it came a letter addressed to myself,

"I hope this letter finds you in good health and spirits. We are writing to request a settlement of our pay equity entitlements. We are making this request for the following reasons. We are now employees of a private organization, The Deninu Health and Social Services Board. We are no longer affiliated with the Union of Northern Workers. We are no longer GNWT employees. The Union of Northern Workers does not represent our concerns.

We believe the GNWT's offer to be fair. We believe the union's demands to be excessive in this economic climate. We believe the settlement monies will go a long way to helping northern families and the northern economy now. We believe these monies to be rightfully ours. We believe that any further negotiations will be fruitless and only create a bigger rift between the involved parties at a time when unity, good will and cooperation is what is required to make this great territory even better. We would like to thank you for taking the time to consider this petition. A copy of this letter will be sent to your Minister of Finance, the Honourable John Todd."

Signed by the health workers in Fort Resolution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to raise an issue in the House today that pertains to many ridings in the southern Northwest Territories in regard to the lumbering issue. Logging and lumbering have been done for decades in the South Slave and Deh Cho. It has evolved to the point where the parties involved that form the Northwest Territories Forestry Industry Association. They not only harvest logs, they rough cut the lumber and then finish it as well to the Canadian lumber standards or creditation board standards. The problem they face, are that this manufactured product they produce is not covered under the northern manufactured policy. This puts local businesses who employ local people and support local economies at a distinct disadvantage when their product is not considered a northern manufactured product when you bid on houses under the Housing Corporation or if you bid on tenders and contracts put out by Public Works. This is a significant issue for this new association and they have, in fact, written to the Ministers, Minister Kakfwi and Minister Arlooktoo, about this concern.

I raise this issue in the House today because it is important, there are contracts going out every day where this critical component of construction is not recognized as a northern manufactured product. At the appropriate time, I will be asking the Ministers involved how we can best deal with this issue. As well, I will raise this issue in the business planning process and would like to give the government and the departments involved enough lead time to address this very important issue and hopefully it will be addressed and resolved in a satisfactory way so that the next building season will see northern lumber graded to Canadian standards as considered a northern manufactured product and making the playing field that much more level and recognizing the investment northern business makes in the north and in our communities to provide that kind of service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon colleagues. Mr. Speaker, during my visit to the communities I represent, there was a concern which was repeated in the communities regarding airfares and travel schedules that are delayed due to weather and other circumstances. For example, if a plane travels from Iqaluit to Resolute or Nanisivik when it goes over here, the passengers are told they are responsible for their own accommodation. While the person is trying to get to their destination, many of these people pay out of their pockets for their airfare and when circumstances are beyond their control this is not fair treatment. If this occurred in the south and the delay was because of the weather or circumstances beyond the passengers control, then the airlines are responsible for ensuring proper accommodation and meals for the passengers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien.

Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise on a sad note. I have asked yourself Mr. Speaker, and the rest of my colleagues to offer sincere condolences to the family of Mark and Hannah Tunguaq of Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, their nine-month-old son passed away suddenly last week in Baker Lake. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back colleagues. Today I would like to make a statement on the pay equity and collective agreement impasse. Mr. Speaker, the pay equity dispute between the union and the government seems to be a case of seeing how many legal hurdles can be shoved through before settlement is reached. For the GNWT employees, three-quarters of whom are union members, this must be very demoralizing. Historically, this disagreement goes back ten years, during which time a lot has been done to thwart efforts towards solving the dispute expeditiously. What I continue to hear from the union, is that this government is inflexible to other points of view and ways of doing things.

The union says they have proposed solutions to negotiation difficulties many times. For example, they said they offered to go to arbitration to settle the question of gender neutrality of the Hay Plan. Then they offered to sign a memorandum of understanding to allow both parties to deal with the pay equity situation separate from the collective agreement, with the proviso that resolution be reached by April 1, 1999. Most recently, they have indicated their desire to work with a facilitator to get the negotiations back on track. According to the union, this government has turned down all these options. There is obviously a difference of opinion as to why we are at this stage today.

The government today is determined to proceed with the appointment of a mediator, which could potentially lead to a strike or arbitrary acceptance of the offer. A strike is not what we need at this very time in our history of the Northwest Territories, just when we are seeing a glimmer of hope on the economic front that it is improving.

The question is, where are we heading with all this Mr. Speaker? To set a new record for legal processes? It seems we are losing the art of negotiating and instead we are honing the art of legal processes. I urge you, Mr. Todd to remove the pay equity issue from the bargaining process, settle the collective agreement, deal with the pay equity issue through a memorandum of understanding with a proviso that it be settled by April 1, 1999. Let us not push this to the brink of a strike, which will be an abyss from which we will have a hard time to recover. We do not want it to become the equityville horror. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.