This is page numbers 81 - 97 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was road.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Good morning. I would like to advise the House that I have received the following message from Her Honour the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories.

Dear Mr. Speaker: I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, the passage of Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1998-99 during the Sixth Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly. It is signed by yours truly, Helen Maksagak, Commissioner.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since January 1997 the Western Coalition has started having its meetings. This is to inform Members of this Assembly who have any questions on it, the coalition is a partnership of aboriginal, political and business organizations whose purpose is to participate in the vision process from a best of the west perspective. Elected aboriginal leaders from the Aboriginal Summit, elected representatives from the NWTAM and mayors from all the communities of the west have input into this as well as members representing the private sector from the west. Mr. Henry and I are elected MLAs, who represent and are accountable to Western Caucus of this Legislative Assembly, also bring forward the concerns from a Western Caucus perspective. The coalition fills a void that would be missing by representing strictly western interest. Western Coalition represents the west and will not apologize for protecting the interest of the west and for any agreement to be reached, it must be embraced by both west and Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, division is a two-way street, the west and Nunavut, not a one-way street. I believe the Western Coalition has represented the west in a fair manner doing the best job it can do and I must say that I must recognize that Cabinet, Mr. Todd and other Members of Cabinet have recognized the interest from a western perspective that needed to have a voice at the tables that were established for division. So I thank him for that and I know it is difficult work at times. We have worked hard to try to come to an agreement on issues and some issues the coalition has not agreed with what has been presented and said so. In saying that, we are a voice that offers the government a perspective that is outside of the mandate we have right now.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I would like to say that division if taken in a context that would be adversarial could be a slippery slope and there is no recovery from that. I think we need to continue to work in a cooperative fashion to see division completed in both west and Nunavut and be set and ready to go after April 1, 1999. Thank you.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, NTI recently won an important decision in its favour at the federal Court of Appeal. The court found there was no evidence in the record that the federal Fisheries Minister had given special consideration to Nunavut's Inuit claim of adjacency to the turbot ad agency resources when he allocated Nunavut 100 tonnes of 1,100 increase through Canada's total allowable catch. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, that decision had the effect of decreasing or reducing Nunavut's share to 24.4 percent of the overall catch. Mr. Speaker, I have raised this question in the House several times on what this government was doing to support NTI and the Inuit of Nunavut with regard to the principle of adjacency with fishing rights off Baffin and Nunavut's east coast. Since NTI won the appeal, there are apparently no grounds on which to appeal this decision to the Supreme Court. NTI is to be congratulated for bringing this issue forward in such a vigorous way.

Next week, our Minister for RWED will be attending a meeting of Fisheries Ministers and I would hope that Mr. Kakfwi again will bring this topic up with his federal counterparts. Later today, I will address some questions to the Minister on the principles of adjacency as outlined in the Nunavut land claim that has been held up in the recent supreme court decision and our government's reaction to them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to address the issue that I think is very important to the people of the west with the time-frame as tight as it is and that is the issue of symbols and celebrations. Mr. Speaker, we are moving into a historic occasion here in the next six months which would be a once in a lifetime opportunity for us as well as our neighbours in the east. While we have chosen to stick with the name of the Northwest Territories, we are definitely going to be carving out a new identity for ourselves.

I think we should be tying into the public to, in fact, ensure that we do that. On the issue of symbols, it would seem that the flag and the polar bear and the crest as well as the name are going to be staying here, though we may want to look at adjusting the crest to include diamonds. One symbol we do have, though, that will be new and unique to the Northwest Territories is going to be our mace. I think we should look at trying to build a lot of interest and momentum around that particular issue, soliciting the input from artists and craftsmen across the Northwest Territories to have a new mace ready for April 1st when we have our first session as a western Assembly.

On the issue of celebrations, I think we have to ensure that we involve the people in the communities and that we use a lot of the existing activities that are held in the communities at the regional and community level. Specifically, Mr. Speaker, I am referring to situations and issues like music festivals. We have the South Slave Music Festival in Fort Smith for instance, Folk on the Rocks, the Midway Lake Music Festival, the NWT Fiddle Championship. These are all occasions where we can build on the theme of celebration. There is a Northern Arts Festival up in Inuvik, which is a major event as well, the Festival of the Midnight Sun.

In the winter leading up to division, we have many opportunities with all the carnivals that are going to be going on in the communities across the north. The Woodbuffalo Frolics, Caribou Carnival, Muskrat Jamboree, K'amba Days in Hay River, to build in a theme of celebration. We cannot forget our sporting events, the assemblies through the summer. All of these are an opportunity for us to go to the people and ask them, how can we along with you come up with a way to celebrate this once in a lifetime opportunity, a new beginning? It cannot be organized just out of Yellowknife and it cannot just be capital celebrations. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe for a relatively small amount of money we can tie in and work with the communities and organizations, to come up with truly memorable ways to celebrate this historic occasion. I would also like to suggest as a territorial wide initiative a possibility for consideration could be the chartering or renting of a boat such as the Norweta to go from Fort Smith to Tuktoyaktuk with musicians, people and performers stopping at the communities along the way to celebrate, to do shows and to visit. My colleague from Iqaluit may once again snicker, but we do have a river system that traverses our territory north and south and it ties the people together. It is something he should be appreciative about.

Mr. Speaker, I would encourage the special committee that has been struck in June who has a very heavy workload and a tight time-frame to take these concerns and points into consideration. The key for success is planning and getting momentum if we really want to have a time to remember. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recently received a copy of the first annual report of the Bridges Program at St. Patrick High School here in Yellowknife. Bridges is a school-to-work transition program, launched in 1997. In its first year of operation, the program proved to be very successful with over 70 students participating and 30 businesses, employers involved directly. Bridges offers work experience in a variety of areas such as office work, child care, video and TV technology and trades such as construction and plumbing. In May this year, St. Patrick High School was awarded the Conference Board of Canada Royal Bank Partners in Education national award. This award speaks to the many partnerships the school has maintained with community and business organizations. The Bridges program now enters its final year of a two-year pilot phase. Developing a foundation for this program has taken time. In the current school year, more students and teachers than ever are actively participating in the program.

In the brief time it has been operating, Bridges has proven to be an asset to the students, employers, the school and the community. This government has been a supporter of this excellent program and I would encourage that to continue. I commend the staff and students of St. Patrick High School and in particular, Kern Von Hagen, principal of St. Patrick High School and Deb Cooke, Bridges coordinator on their excellent work. I also congratulate the 30 plus Yellowknife businesses who have generously provided mentorship and work placement opportunities to our young people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Previous to the Berger inquiry in 1974, I had the occasion to work with Alice Masuzumi of Fort Good Hope, who just passed away last week at the age of 70. We did the work to provide information to the people of Fort Good Hope and Colville Lake regarding positions and presentations to be made to the Berger inquiry. She did the bulk of the work on a very professional and confidential basis, speaking with many of the elders, taping them. To this day, Mr. Speaker, I have never had the occasion to hear many of the tapes she made with those elders because she treated them as strictly confidential. They are invaluable if they still exist in this world. I remember after the Berger inquiry took place in Good Hope, which was heard all across Canada on the national news and on TV, I remember her coming to talk to me about it after the hearings were over. She laughed and she cried. She celebrated and just rejoiced about the tremendous impact that she thought we had made in our own way to help all the Dene and Metis of Good Hope, to have the confidence and clarity to make the statements and the presentations they did during the course of the hearings. She was a tremendous friend. She was a single mother who raised her children, sons and daughters, who today are making major contributions to better the lives of the people in Good Hope.

She was always known to be a good friend, not only to the elders, but the young as well and able to relate and communicate with everyone. She had friends up and down the valley, I am sure everyone will be missing her. On a personal note, she was always taking great pride and joy in telling everyone she was the one who attended to my mother at our trapping camp in Yelta Lake in the winter of 1950. I was born there. She was always taking credit for single handedly attending to my mother in delivering me at my birth. That has always been our own little personal way of relating to one another. I talk to my children about it and throughout the Sahtu they have always known that about her. I wanted to make that comment and share that with everyone today. The funeral will be taking place in Fort Good Hope this afternoon. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I bring forward a concern raised by my constituents of Snare Lake. For the past number of years, the community of Snare Lake has had the option to drive out of the community during the winter resupply. However, this option was mainly available as a result of this government's cooperation agreement that the Department of Transportation had with the Colomac gold mine. This agreement allowed for Transportation to build a winter road to Snare Lake. The road would connect to the Colomac road and thus saving many thousands of dollars for this government and the residents of Snare Lake. The residents and government were able to bring freight and fuel into the community at a reasonable rate compared to that of flying everything in, as is the case during most of the year.

Which bring me to my point, as you may recall Royal Oak shut down the Colomac mine approximately a year and a half ago. This means that after last year's winter road where Royal Oak removed all of its equipment, there will no longer be a winter road that could be utilized by the residents of Snare Lake. The residents will once again be dependent solely on the airline companies and the higher than normal freight costs. To give you one good example of these high costs, a litre of gas is $0.99. This is a very high cost, considering in Pelly Bay, the price for the same goods are 96.9 for a litre of gas. Now I realize one cannot compare the two communities. The distance between Pelly Bay and Yellowknife as well as other differences. However, Snare Lake is only a 45 minute flight from Yellowknife. Is there something that can be done to lessen the impact to our residents of Snare Lake? I do not know. I am, however, hoping the honourable Minister of Transportation will be able to inform us later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make some suggestions to the Minister of Transportation that may solve the anticipated financial hardship that will be foisted upon northerners by the implementation of the proposed NAV Canada fee schedule, if it is enacted. Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleague from Yellowknife North has quite rightly raised the point that NAV Canada stands to make enormous profits on the opening of circumpolar routes that overfly previously restricted Russian airspace. When you consider that the airliners will spend a considerable amount, if not the majority, of their time in the NWT airspace, it is only fair that this financial windfall be used to subsidize the cost of air travel in the north.

Mr. Speaker, it is Friday and I am going to have some fun with some of the facts and figures to make my point. So what do we do, Mr. Speaker? How do we get NAV Canada and the federal Minister of Transportation to see the validity of our points? I believe the GNWT have legal ownership on the ground that the magnetic north originates from. I would like to suggest that we as a government charge NAV Canada a fee for the use of the magnetic north signal. In fact, we could charge the whole aviation world a fee for the use of that signal.

What I propose, Mr. Speaker, is that we apply to the courts for the right to charge a fee for the use of the magnetic north signal emanating from the Northwest Territories. We could block out the signal to those who would not subscribe to the program, just like the cable TV operators do. I would like to suggest that Minister Antoine when he is putting this regime in place that he consider retroactivity, for say the past ten years. I would like to make it perfectly clear, Mr. Speaker, that Santa Claus would be exempt from any of these fees. I say this as a demonstration of my good will as opposed to what NAV Canada has shown the north.

I was pleased to hear, Mr. Speaker, that NAV Canada, in their benevolence, will not be charging fees to air ambulances or fire fighting planes. What an amazing concession. I had this vision in my head of the president of NAV Canada playing a fiddle and dancing while the Western Territories forests burn because somebody in RWED forgot to pay the aviation fees. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry, you have unanimous consent.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, colleagues. On the subject of air ambulances, I have another idea since NAV Canada made the concession on those fees. I have a strong suspicion that nearly every commercial flight made by a scheduled airline in the Northwest Territories has on board, someone travelling for medical reasons. All we have to do is document it and refuse to pay the fees for that flight. We have to make the federal government and NAV Canada understand that the proposed fee structure will create undue hardship for the residents of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut. This privatization of an essential public service must not impact upon those people least equipped to pay, such as the majority of northern residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today on a concern that was raised by my constituency regarding the social workers in the communities I represent. Mr. Speaker, even in small communities social problems occur just like any other community. Mr. Speaker, in Arctic Bay and in the constituency I represent, in Grise Fiord there has been no social worker in those two communities for the past six months in Arctic Bay and over a month now in Grise Fiord. What I would like to address to the government is that these small communities need social assistance as well as bigger communities. For this reason, I rise today to address this issue of the social workers in these two communities. When the appropriate Minister is in the House, I will be asking questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Krutko on September 16, 1998 in regard to poor conditions of the Dempster Highway.

Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, September 16, 1998, the Member for Mackenzie Delta called attention to the state of repair of the Dempster Highway. The Dempster Highway was built through terrain where permafrost is a common feature. Every summer the frozen earth melts causing settlement and slumping in the road bed and side embankments. This summer was both warmer and wetter than most causing more than the usual amount of melting and settling in the road.

The Department of Transportation attended steadily to road repairs throughout the summer although the wet weather did cause some delays. Through a labour contract with the Fort McPherson Band, the department retained the services of a highway foreman who regularly patrolled the highway watching for surface or embankment failures that would require maintenance attention.

Over the summer, the department's project engineer from the Inuvik office was staying in Fort McPherson on the Dempster Highway reconstruction project. From Fort McPherson he was able to give technical and supervisory advice on the road repairs as necessary.

The department's highway maintenance contractor for this section of the Dempster Highway, Tetlit Zeh Trucking of Fort McPherson also provided services needed to maintain the highway in a safe, functional condition.

The department is keeping pace with the road repairs and will continue to watch the highway carefully until it freezes once again for the winter. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi.