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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the 1999-2000 Main Estimates for the Department of Health and Social Services. The Main Estimates are based on the strategic plan and business plan presented to the Western Caucus last November. The department continues to work towards an integrated system of care that meets the needs of northerners and is financially sustainable. Our success depends upon effective collaboration with boards and professional associations, non-governmental organizations and other stakeholders.

Across Canada, there is serious public concern about the future of our national health care system. In the NWT, we face many of the same pressures. Some of these challenges include a shortage of nurses, physicians and social workers; an aging population; a high birth rate; an increase in preventable conditions and diseases; an increased reliance on rapidly changing and expensive technology and new drugs; and increased public expectations.

These are just some of the factors that are driving up costs. Unless these pressures are addressed, health care costs and social services pressures can be expected to increase. We need to take bold steps today to ensure that we will have an effective health and social services system in the NWT in the future.

Part of the answer lies in improving the efficiency and effectiveness of our health and social services system but perhaps the greatest challenge is finding ways to divert limited resources from acute care to prevention and early intervention.

The department is requesting a total of $166.466 million for 1999-2000. Key features of the Main Estimates. Over $1.8 million has been committed to the ongoing implementation of the recruitment and retention strategy announced earlier this year. The strategy has three key goals: developing a northern health and social services workforce; stabilizing the health and social services workforce; and increasing competencies in the northern health and social services workforce.

Developing a northern workforce is a long term goal. The department has partnered with Aurora College, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the NWT Registered Nurses Association to increase opportunities for Northerners to train as nurses. We are also expanding and revising our northern nursing programs to ensure that our graduates have the skills they need to deliver high-quality care to our people.

The government has also allocated an additional $3 million over the next two years for the recruitment and retention of nurses. As outlined in my earlier Minister's statement on this matter, Canada faces a national shortage of nurses. Additional funding is urgently required to ensure that the Northwest Territories is able to compete for a diminishing pool of nurses.

Medical travel continues to be an integral part of our delivery system. The budget includes a $500,000 increase in medical travel, or about 8 percent. The boards are looking at ways to contain these costs and are working together to find system-wide solutions. Physicians continue to play a vital role in our delivery system. Over the past several years, the NWT Medical Association has voluntarily agreed to decreases in the fee schedule in response to fiscal restraint. The current fee schedule will be renegotiated in 1999-2000.

A number of commitments have been made to help improve the health and well-being of northerners, including the development of new strategies for health promotion, mental health and services to children and youth. A new territorial health promotion strategy will focus on healthy pregnancies, tobacco harm reduction and cessation and active living.

It is often said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. This is especially true when it comes to children. New research about brain development in infants and children tells us that the first five years of a child's life are the most critical. Preventing Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and Fetal Alcohol Effect must be a priority. In human terms, the cost of FAS and FAE cannot be measured. In financial terms, the costs are also great. The number of children who require special needs assistance in our schools is rising, as is the number of children who will require a lifetime of institutional care and community support. Mr. Chairman, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and Fetal Alcohol Effect are completely preventable and we must do more to help ensure all babies are born healthy.

Mr. Chairman, there is a lot of concern in our communities about cancer. Unfortunately, most of the cancers we see in the NWT are tobacco-related. Tobacco is also linked to a number of illnesses in children. The benefit of smoke-free homes and smoke-free public places where children are present cannot be overstated. Our health promotion strategy will address tobacco use in two ways: reducing the harm caused by tobacco and helping people stop smoking.

The third thrust of the health promotion strategy is active living. We look forward to partnering with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, boards, and communities to promote the benefits of exercise. Mr. Chairman, northern people were always very physically active. Today, like other Canadians, northern people do not always get the exercise they need to prevent illnesses and stay healthy. Many of our traditional activities, like fishing and hunting, not only provide good physical exercise in the great outdoors, but also an opportunity for families to have fun together. Mr. Chairman, as the father of six children, I believe that strong families are the key to healthy communities. Without good parents and healthy homes, the programs governments provide have a very limited benefit.

The Strategic Investment Fund will continue this year with an investment of $1.5 million. This fund helps boards invest in community initiatives that focus on health promotion, early intervention and prevention activities. I am pleased to report that many of the community projects funded in the past have focused on parenting and early childhood activities. Investments in these areas will reap long term benefits by building healthy families and communities, and by preventing diseases and thus avoiding costly interventions. The rules for the Strategic Initiatives Fund will change this year, making the funding more accessible to boards.

Care and protection of children and youth is a continuing concern. An additional $1.2 million has been allocated to meet the growing demand for foster care services and for sending youth to treatment facilities in southern Canada. The social envelope departments are working together on an integrated strategy for children and youth. The strategy will establish baseline information on the health and social status of northern children so that we will have benchmarks against which to measure progress. The strategy will also identify cost-effective improvements to programs and services for children and youth. The approach will be evidence-based, drawing on the experience and research on best practices undertaken in other jurisdictions in Canada and internationally.

Moving to the capital side of the budget, minor capital is proposed to increase by $3 million. Part of this investment will be spent to develop and implement a comprehensive capital planning system for both equipment and buildings. The results of this work will allow the boards and the department to better forecast capital replacement needs in future years. It will also ensure that limited capital dollars are spent where most required.

Work is progressing on schedule with the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Centre replacement project. As this project is being developed under the P3 policy, no funding is requested in the Main Estimates. The Main Estimates also include funding for work on children's facilities in Fort Smith and in Yellowknife. These projects will be further elaborated once a review of children's programs and services, now underway, has been completed in the fall.

Mr. Chairman, earlier today I announced a Minister's Forum on Health and Social Services in the Northwest Territories. This forum will build on the strategic plan released last spring. The goal of the review is to find ways to ensure the sustainability of our health and social services system. Northerners generally have good access to good care, but demands and needs are growing. At the same time, our ability to meet those demands is challenged.

In addition to the fiscal realities outlined by the Finance Minister in the Budget Address, the system faces many challenges. The national shortage of nurses has resulted in high turnover and high vacancy rates, particularly at the community level. We also see alarming increases in the number of preventable illnesses and conditions, some of which are very costly to address, in both human and financial terms.

Mr. Chairman, I want to once again be very clear and upfront with the Members of this House and with the public. This forum is not a fishing expedition to raise public expectations that we can get more money for health and social services. The focus of the forum will be how to preserve the sustainability of the health and social services system.

There is a need for a review of spending practices in the entire health and social services system to ensure we are obtaining optimal value for our expenditures. As part of the review, information about health and social trends and cost-drivers will be shared with the public, so that we can have an informed and constructive discussion about how to ensure the sustainability of the health and social services system.

Mr. Chairman, I am confident that with continued good cooperation and support of all of our partners, the boards, the professional organizations, communities, non-government organizations and the social envelope departments, we can continue to have an excellent health and social services system in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Are there comments on behalf of the standing committee? Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will start to read these comments. If I cannot continue, I will have to call for a quorum. The Standing Committee on Social Programs met on November 25 and 26, 1998, to consider the business plan for the Department of Health and Social Services and again on March 15, 1999, to consider the 1999-2000 draft Main Estimates for the department.

The Department's business plan shows a high degree of correlation to the recent departmental strategic planning exercise. Committee Members were impressed with the linkages that the department showed between its strategic directions and government and departmental goals. Committee Members were, however, disappointed in the lack of detail provided by the department as to how it intends to measure success in meeting its stated goals. Without knowledge of the starting points and definable targets, the committee, and indeed the department, has no method of measuring its success in meeting stated goals and objectives.

The committee noted in the 1999-2000 draft Main Estimates an increase of $4.605 million in operations and maintenance over the numbers contained in the business plans, and a $541,000 decrease in capital attributable to the postponement of major code upgrades and renovations until after the assessment is done during the upcoming fiscal year. Cost of administration. Committee Members, expressed concern during the business plan review that administration costs must not increase. In the view of committee Members the present level of spending on administration is approaching the maximum and no increases should be contemplated without corresponding increases to actual program spending.

Committee Members continue to be concerned that administration costs within the social program envelope be kept as low as possible. With the inability of the committee to examine the government-funded administration costs at the board level during the business planning and Main Estimates review process, there are concerns that the true cost of administration for the department is hidden at the board level. Committee Members would have greater faith in the Minister's assertions that administration costs are kept as low as possible if they could examine the board's annual reports at some point during the business plan or Main Estimates review process.

Level of detail on territorial-wide treatment programs. Many of the programs of the Department of Health and Social Services are administered at the headquarters level as opposed to the board level. Some activities such as the Northern Addiction Services and the Community Wellness Programs are hidden within one all-encompassing line item in the Main Estimates. Committee Members, while understanding the accounting principles that make this an acceptable practice, would like to see greater detail included as an appendix to the Main Estimates.

Recruitment and Retention Program. The committee understands that this activity is just in the process of being established. In these days of increased competition for health care professionals, it is vitally important to the health and welfare of all residents of the Northwest Territories that the government does all that it can to recruit and retain qualified personnel. Committee Members would appreciate updates on this activity as plans are formulated.

Integrated strategy for children and youth. Committee Members are very interested in the progress the departments in the social program envelope make on establishing baselines and identifying cost-effective improvements to services for children and youth. While committee Members can understand the need for extensive consultation with the health boards, there is a concern that the process will take so long as to be virtually impossible to implement for the next business plan. Committee Members have expressed their dissatisfaction in the past with the lack of identifiable targets for many of the programs that they examined during the business plan review. Members are disappointed that they will have no opportunity to examine any of the results of this strategy during the life of this Assembly. It is, however, important that any progress made on the Integrated Strategy for Children and Youth is incorporated into next year's business plan and Main Estimates review process.

Treatment centres. Committee Members believe that the current departmental review of the activities of the Northern Addictions Services is crucial to the long term success of addictions programming in the Northwest Territories. Members are concerned, however, that as a result of the review of the treatment centre at Detah, more program space for addiction treatment will disappear. Committee Members would like to remind the department that this activity has already experienced significant reductions in funding during the forced budget cutting exercise that occurred early in the life of this Assembly. Committee Members are of the opinion that we cannot afford to lose another treatment centre. Members also believe that the department, in its review, must look at holistic approaches to addiction treatments as opposed to the current 28-day based programs. The root causes of addiction must also be examined and practical solutions effected.

Long term care bed shortage. Committee Members are concerned there is a developing shortage of long term care beds in the communities of the Northwest Territories. It is vitally important that the department develop a strategy to deal with the developing bed shortage. Committee Members look forward to being apprised on future initiatives and strategies in this area.

Child Welfare Information System. The Child Welfare Information System does not accurately track the number of children in care. The department has admitted that the system does not meet the needs of the program. This has been a major concern of the Standing Committee on Social Programs since the beginning of its mandate three and a half years ago. Committee Members were pleased to hear that the Child Welfare Information System will be finally developed and implemented over the upcoming fiscal year.

Tobacco cessation programming and BC lawsuit. Committee Members believe strongly that the Government of the Northwest Territories should join in with British Columbia's lawsuit against the tobacco companies. It is felt that any monies realized from the successful conclusion of this suit could be used to combat smoking in the Northwest Territories, particularly among our young people. The committee looks forward to seeing the statistics on smoking in the new NWT compared to other Canadian jurisdictions. Members of the committee also feel that any smoking cessation programs developed by the department should contain provisions for assisting with the cost of products designed to help the smoker quit. Members believe that spending money now on products that help northerners break the grip of nicotine will translate into reduced costs to the health care network later on in the smokers' lives. The committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories join with British Columbia in pursuing a lawsuit against the tobacco companies to attempt to recover the extra costs to the social envelope caused by dealing with the long term effects of smoking to northerners.

The committee recommends that any smoking cessation program developed by the department include provisions for assisting with the cost of products designed to help smokers quit.

Informatics. Committee Members believe that there is an opportunity to develop common computer programs and platforms in conjunction with other departments in the social programs envelope. The departments serve a common client base and should be able to develop a system that allows for multi-departmental access but restricts the information the user can access on the client. Committee Members understand that there are policy and legislative reasons for the department's reluctance to co-operate in the development of common computer systems. However, in light of the major policy reform initiative recommended by the committee elsewhere in this report, this may be an opportune time to also examine the development of common computer systems.

Committee Members were pleased that the Department of Health and Social Services is examining the Yukon computer system that is being adopted by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Committee Members would like to be apprised on the department's evaluation of the Yukon system. The committee recommends that the department work in conjunction with other government departments, particularly with those in the social programs envelope, to develop common computer systems and platforms.

Cooperation with other departments. Committee Members feel that the relationships between departments in the social programs envelope are not as fully developed as they should be. Many of the government's goals will require a high level of cooperation if any measurable results are to be achieved. Programs that are designed in isolation from other departments could create situations where one department's program is at direct cross-purposes to another, while in fact both programs were designed to meet the same government goal. When the Department of Health and Social Services talks of encouraging physical activity in children, it is apparent to committee Members that the department must work in concert with Education, Culture and Employment and Municipal and Community Affairs to develop relevant programming and services to address the issue.

Committee Members believe strongly that regardless of any confidentiality or proprietary concerns, there is an opportunity for the departments in the social envelope to work together to develop a common tombstone computer system, that would allow selective access to data to track the common client base. This would include the removal of policy and legislative roadblocks. The Committee recommends that the departments in the social envelope work together in greater cooperation in developing programming that meets the needs of northerners and accomplishes the government's stated goals.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Mr. Erasmus, would you continue.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Chairman.

Health and Social Services board issues. Committee Members wish to encourage the department in cooperating with the regional health and social services boards to develop a formula-financing agreement that meets the needs of boards in delivering services to northerners. Committee Members were pleased by the department's efforts to improve the quality and quantity of support to the regional boards. It was felt that an improved support structure at the headquarters level would result in less interference by the department in board affairs at a later date. A central contact point for the boards should make it easier for them to get quick answers to crucial questions.

It was also felt by committee Members that the boards and the department have to do a better job in communicating to people and families that they have to take responsibility and ownership in meeting their own health issues. Northerners have to be educated as to the long term health consequences for engaging in high-risk behaviors. Committee Members encourage the department to develop preventive strategies that would lessen the impact of high-risk behaviors on the social programs envelope.

Mr. Chairman, under Human Resources. The department's Human Resource Strategy focuses on how the department will deal with the health care personnel shortage in the smaller communities. The hiring of a retention and recruitment specialist and the development of nursing programs in northern colleges are a good start in dealing with the health care personnel shortage. Committee Members were disappointed in the lack of detail on affirmative action. The business plan process is one of the few opportunities that the committees have to gauge the success of the department's efforts in meeting the government's overall goal of building a representative workforce. The committee appreciated being provided with a further breakdown on affirmative action by employee task or occupation.

Committee Members realized that these are trying times for all departments and appreciated the candor the Minister and the deputy minister showed during the business plan review in admitting that not all positions in the department had a job description. The committee was pleased to note that the job descriptions were completed by March 31,1999.

Repatriation of northerners from southern institutions and facilities. The committee encourages the department to repatriate northerners presently institutionalized in southern medical care facilities to ones in the north wherever possible. It is felt that it might be possible to realize savings to the government through reduced payments to other jurisdictions and provide an environment for patients that encourages greater contact with their families and communities.

Children in care. Committee Members were concerned that with the exposure of systemic abuse within the residential school system, similar conditions may have existed for past permanent wards under the Child Welfare Act. Committee Members feel that given the similarities between group homes and residential schools, it is only a matter of time before cases are made public. The department should develop a contingency plan to deal with this in co-operation with other departments in the social envelope.

Probation services. The decision by the Department of Justice to develop a stand-alone probation service should bode well for social services workers in the Northwest Territories. Combined with the income support worker administering income support, this should allow the social worker to make more home visits and spend more time on individual files. Committee Members believe that this will result in better service to the clientele and more made in the community solutions by the social worker. In addition, social workers should be able to supervise more special needs cases in their home communities, without having to refer the clients to outside resources or southern facilities.

Mr. Chairman, that concludes the report of the standing committee.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Erasmus.

Committee Motion 20-13(7): Support For The Bc Lawsuit Against Tobacco Companies (h&ss)
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories join with British Columbia in pursuing a lawsuit against the tobacco companies to attempt to recover the extra costs to the social envelope caused by dealing with the long term effects of smoking to northerners. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when I see this motion I am not sure whether I can support the principle that tobacco companies from the profits that they have made should take the responsibility and help with the health problems that they have contributed towards. At the same time I think we are all very aware of what amounts of financial resources that it takes to go to court and the length of time it takes. Although we do not have a guesstimate of what types of money we are going to spend to try and obtain these funds, I would ask the mover of the motion to give some indication of what types of scarce financial resources he would be encouraging the government to commit to a project like this. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Does the mover wish to speak to this? Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Whatever it costs. In the United States several state governments went together and started a lawsuit and if I remember correctly, I think they received a couple of billion dollars in an out-of-court settlement with the tobacco companies and I suspect that a similar thing might happen here. Considering the amount of dollars that we have to spend dealing with ailments caused by smoking, we know that we probably have the highest rate of smokers in Canada and this causes harm particularly to young children. They have hearing infections. Smoke inhalation causes damage to their lungs while they are still developing, and it causes a lot of long term effects. We also know that children start smoking at a very early age in the Northwest Territories. You can walk down the street any day and see a little kid smoking. The committee feels that it is time that the tobacco companies stood up and became responsible for the damage that they are causing to children and adults alike. Mr. Chairman, in response to the question, whatever resources it takes is what they should put into this endeavour. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Erasmus

Committee Motion: 21-13(7): Assistance For The Cost Of Smoking Cessation Products (h&ss)
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that any smoking cessation program developed by the department include provisions for assisting with the cost of products designed to help smokers quit. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. Erasmus.

Committee Motion: 22-13(7): Departmental Coordination To Develop Common Computer Systems And Platforms (h&ss)
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that the department work in conjunction with other government departments and particularly with those in the social program envelope to develop common computer systems and platforms.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this committee recommends that the departments in the social envelope work together in greater cooperation in developing programming that meets the needs of northerners and accomplishes the government's stated goals. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Does the Minister wish to bring in witnesses?

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Does the committee agree to bring in witnesses?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you. Sergeant-at-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Mr. Roland, would you please introduce your witnesses.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my left is the Deputy Minister, Penny Ballantyne, and on my right is Warren St. Germain, director of financial and management services.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Are there any general comments on the department? Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Minister, in his opening statement, had indicated that there are several factors that are driving up health care costs and that we need to take bold steps today to ensure that we will have an effective health and social services system in the future. That is definitely true. At the very start of this statement he indicated, is we have to find ways to divert limited resources from acute care to prevention and early intervention. Mr. Chairman, I believe we heard that last year. I was just wondering, is this not already underway? Have we not been working towards this for some time now? I am just wondering at the wording which says the greatest challenge is finding ways to divert limited resources. What I wanted to know is have we found ways to do this already and if we have, could we hear of some ways? Thank you.