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Supplementary To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the whole process of consultation usually happens prior to making a decision. In this case, basically Cabinet has already approved the new criteria for negotiated contracts. So you guys have already made a decision without consulting a large portion of the population who have a constitutional right to be consulted, yet it did not take place. I would like to ask the Premier again, in regard to the changes that you are saying, you are saying it is not that drastic. From my reading of it, it is drastic. I depend heavily on negotiated contracts in my riding for social and economic benefits and also to stimulate the economy, what is left of it, and yet there was a motion passed in this House. The motion that was passed in this House was one way to kill the negotiated contracts. I would like to ask the Premier exactly why was this consultation not taken prior to the decision made by Cabinet?

Supplementary To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the honourable Member's constituency, I think there have been a lot of negotiated contracts and other honourable Members' ridings. This policy is to clarify the direction of this Legislative Assembly in 1997 that said "Clarify the government's position on government-wide non-competitive contracts by providing a draft policy on non-competitive contracts to the standing committee by this August.". We did that, we gave it to the standing committee in June, 1997. At this date, the standing committee has not responded to the draft policy. As a result, we did an intergovernmental review team by all the departments that deal with negotiated contracts, and we came out with some clear guidelines to do that. Cabinet needs to set out for ourselves what we would like to look for in making these decisions. It is not change to the policy at all. We are just looking at kind of clarifying what are the input that needs to be looked at in considering these negotiated contracts. We are continuing to looking at negotiated contracts in the honourable Member's riding as well as other ridings. It is important to consult with the different organizations that are out there, but at the same time, we are following the direction of this Legislative Assembly to get clear direction and inputs into how we look at these negotiated contracts. We are going to continue to negotiate these contracts. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier, at the most available time, is it possible for the Premier's meeting with the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu Secretariat, the groups that have land claim agreements which have an economic section attached to them that they sit down and clearly look at the economic benefits, also the whole changes that have taken place in this policy without the consultation of those groups in which the land claim agreements clearly spell out that they were supposed to be consulted and involved in any modification of any policies or programs in this government, yet that did not happen? Can the Minister commit to meeting with those organizations, the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu Secretariat which, at the present time, there is a real problem in regard to program delivery by this government? I would like to ask the Premier to give me assurances that, that will happen.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been continuously meeting with the different organizations that the honourable Member mentioned, the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu. The chapter of the respective Gwich'in final agreement, as well as the Sahtu final agreement, there has been work in the last months in trying to address the economic measures that are mentioned in there. It is an ongoing process

that we have undertaken with the Government of the Northwest Territories in respect of organizations in the federal government in trying to get to a common interpretation of these economic measures. In that discussion, we are dealing with it. At the same time, the honourable Member from the Sahtu, the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, is undertaking an economic strategy that will look at the western territories and the resources we have. He has undertaken a process where he has a panel that will be looking at these things. He has told me that he has met with the Inuvialuit organization, the Gwich'in as well as the Sahtu to talk about how we, as a government, could do things better.

There are ongoing discussions and yes, I commit to the honourable Member that we will undertake to sit down with the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, and the other First Nations like the Dogrib, the Deh Cho, and the Akaitcho territory to explain this policy here. Once we explain it thoroughly, I think it will clarify where this government is and when we are considering looking at negotiated contracts. As the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services indicated, the respective communities and organizations will have to come forward and state their case on the benefits of negotiated contracts in the communities. I think a lot of them have done that. They just explained to us what the benefits are going to be and will be supportive of helping communities grow and so forth. I agree that we should be meeting with these organizations and we have been and we will continue to do that. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 227-13(7): Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus.

Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services. It is a continuation of earlier questions on the Northern Addictions Services Rehabilitation Centre. The Minister had indicated that as far as he knew, the NAS board had been involved in drawing up the plan. He also indicated that the plan had included reprofiling the Northern Addiction Services Rehabilitation Centre to a centre that would work with children. What I would like to know from the Minister is whether the NAS board agreed to no longer provide alcohol and drug rehabilitation in their own building? Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated earlier, they were involved in the discussions that took place up until the time they notified the department that they were choosing a different avenue to proceed in. The reprofiling of the NAS facility, the one out in Dettah was chosen because of its size, to be used as a repatriation initiative for youth. We were informed at that time that they felt it was not in the best interest of the NAS board in that facility and, therefore, informed us that they were pursuing the other avenue we spoke of earlier. They notified us that they did not want to be involved in the reprofiling as we had tried to pursue. That was in consultation with other health boards in the territories. So they were informed in telling us they did not want to proceed. When it came down to the specific alcohol and drug programming, if we had reprofiled, we would be doing drug and alcohol treatment at other facilities that are available to us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has indicated that there would have been alcohol and drug treatment being done out of other facilities. What would the NAS board's new role be since they would have been basically kicked out of their own building? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Roland.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the reprofiling that was being discussed and worked on by, as I mention again, other health boards and the department and included NAS's board was not to kick them out of the facility. They would have still been there. The facility is held by the board. They would have still been involved in that delivery. There would have been some training of the staff there to make sure that they were able to continue with employment and dealing with children, but unfortunately, that did not come about. There was involvement. They would not have been kicked out of the facility. That is their facility, that the board holds, and we would have entered a new contribution agreement or contract to them providing a different type of service, but they were unwilling to go there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Basically, they would have still been involved in their own building. Presumably, that is so they could pay off their mortgage before the government took it over or something. Could the Minister commit to providing us with some information on this master plan, perhaps a briefing because it just does not seem to be quite right that other people could dictate to a non-profit organization that they should change their focus from being an alcohol and drug addiction organization to one that deals with children no matter what is wrong with those children, whether they are schizophrenic or whether they are dealing with drug and alcohol? Could the Minister commit to this, please?

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Roland.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will commit to writing a briefing to the Member, maybe the Social Programs Committee as well and go through this. There is a lot

of history that goes with this and I may remind the Member as well when I was a member of the Social Programs Committee, that was the direction of this government that was to initiate the repatriation and to try and do as much as we can in the territories instead of sending our people south. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary. Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I remember well the discussions and I also remember very well that never, ever did the Social Programs Committee ever direct the government to put the Northern Addictions Board out of their own business and make them start doing some work in the area of children, which may not even be related to alcohol and drugs which has become the speciality of this board. They were the first board that provided these type of services. Now we are asking them go do something else, become an expert in another field. It is beyond me how anyone could go to a board like that and tell them to do that. My final supplementary question is, where are these facilities from which the gender specific programs were going to be and I suppose are still going to be run out of? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Roland.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The facilities that would be used, our existing facilities that are in Yellowknife at the this time being and if everything went according to the plan that was being worked on, the Dettah facility would have been a treatment facility for youth who needed the treatment and children as well, the territorial treatment centre would have been the women and children's programming to be used, the detox facility on Franklin Avenue would have been a men's program and, using existing treatment expanding a bit to deal with some longer programming, the Rycon Group Home would have been used as a children's clinical assessment facility so those are the facilities that were all involved in this reprofiling, which would have seen services, maybe better programming happen but, unfortunately that could not happen, but, as I have said before, I will provide a briefing and in that briefing I will be able to provide a long history as to what happened here and the reasons why things didn't work out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 228-13(7): Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions, Mr. Morin.

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice. When did the Minister's department with the concurrence of the Minister, make a decision to change the Yellowknife Correctional facility to a renovation project to build in a brand new building? What day was that decision made? Thank you.