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Return To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole area of our resources in the Northwest Territories is important to all of us as northerners. We consider the resources as ours. However, we do not have control over it. The federal government has control over our natural resources. They get the taxes and the royalties of our natural resources. They get it from the diamonds. They are going to get it from the gas and the oil out of Norman Wells and all the mining interests. This is the dilemma that we have been in for a long time.

This is one of the last areas of devolution that still exists here in the Northwest Territories which this government has been trying to do some work towards. Previous governments have tried it and have failed. We are attempting to get some understanding among all Northerners to set the groundwork for some possible arrangements. This is what we have been working at since getting in as Premier in December. In January, we undertook an extensive travelling schedule throughout the whole North, appearing before different organizations and appearing before different communities and explaining the agenda for a new North which the key component of it is gaining control. It is a sharing control of our own resource, and we have to do it in conjunction with the aboriginal governments.

We have to work together, all the organizations, the Government of the Northwest Territories, the aboriginal governments. We have to work together and build consensus before we move forward. The key to this is that the federal government, through Indian and Northern Affairs, controls this whole initiative right now, and we have to convince them somehow. Over the years, we have been fracturalized. The previous attempts to reach a Northern Accord have failed because they are different regions with their own agendas and a sense of their own control. The last time any federal minister said anything about it was Ron Irwin, who was the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs. He said if you could get 100 percent consensus amongst all the interested parties, then he would consider working toward some resolution. That is a tall order, Mr. Speaker. Since this government took over, we have been trying to do that. We have been meeting with groups. We are trying to set the atmosphere and the environment to try to move towards this. We are putting everything on the table. We are saying what kind of resources we have and the pressures on them. The only possibilities to gain more resources to provide programs and services in the North are from our own resources, and we have to realize that.

This is where the energy has been put in by this government. The Minister of Finance and the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development have spent a lot of time appearing before citizens in the North trying to explain this initiative. We have not given up on the people of the Northwest Territories. We are trying the best we can in the remaining life of this government. We made a decision yesterday that the election is going to be December 6. We back that up, and we have until the middle of October, about three months, to do some work. The only thing we could do in the life of this government is try to set the stage, get all the information out there. Hopefully, there is some good dialogue and discussion to develop here in the North by all citizens to realize this is the only avenue that we have to achieve more resources for people in the North so that, hopefully, in the future we will make life better for everybody in the North. Thank you.

Return To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is essential that we do conclude these negotiations, but I do not think it helps anything to make these agreements with national companies such as TransCanada Pipeline and make people aware of what pipelines do and when they cross. You are talking a pipeline up the MacKenzie Valley. It will have a major impact on the aboriginal people and the aboriginal groups that live in those areas. One of the key components to the land claim agreements in regard to the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu and all the Dogrib is this component of their land claim agreement to conclude these Northern Accord negotiations. It was done in the Yukon. I do not see why the Yukon government is any different than this government. They dealt with the aboriginal people. They were able to conclude their Northern Accord negotiations. They put the resources forth. They managed to sit down and talk with the aboriginal people, and they did come up with the agreement. I have to ramble on. I do not take six minutes like Mr. Kakfwi, so I am going to take my time here. I would like to make this government aware this has been done in the Yukon. This agreement has been here since 1988, eleven years...

Supplementary To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

You did have the opportunity to make your preamble. Could you ask your supplementary, please?

Supplementary To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was just getting to the supplementary. This government has had four years to work on this item, yet no progress has been made, and this government is signing agreements with other jurisdictions. When is this government going to put the priority on these Northern Accord negotiations and try to conclude with the aboriginal people and not use cost as a factor and sit down and set up a table up to start negotiations as soon as possible?

Supplementary To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Antoine, I heard two questions.

Further Return To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has been working on trying to set the atmosphere and get the environment ready to make all the different aboriginal governments aware of the situation we are in. Since January we have been doing that. It is not really up to us to start negotiations. Together, everybody in the north has to deal with the federal government. They have the control. The honourable Member has to understand that this is where the control is. We are working with all the different organizations in trying to achieve this understanding. The indication that we got from the federal government is that we have to get consensus by everybody involved up here before we move forward.

The other part of the question, I believe, is in regards to an MOU that was signed yesterday by the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development with the province of Alberta. Previously this government had an outstanding memorandum of understanding with the province of Alberta. This was signed previously, which was a very good agreement of cooperation and coordination between Alberta and the Northwest Territories. This MOU yesterday was a subagreement of that MOU that focuses on the possible gas and oil scenarios. My understanding of this MOU is that it is an agreement between the province of Alberta and the Northwest Territories that whatever they do, they keep us informed of their actions so that whatever decisions are made in Alberta do not have a negative, detrimental effect on us in the Northwest Territories. I think that it is a good agreement because they could make decisions that will have an effect on us in the future, so we need to be aware of what they are doing.

In regard to the TransCanada Pipeline MOU, this one is that TransCanada Pipeline had petitioned the government of Alberta to change the way they set tariffs for gas flowing through their pipeline system. The previous arrangement was that they had what they call a postage stamp arrangement, where no matter what distance you are from the producer, the price is the same. You could be a foot from the pipeline or you could be a thousand miles from the pipeline. The price is the same. They are applying to change the tariff by saying that the farther you are away from the producers, the more you pay. That will eventually include us here in the Northwest Territories, where the tariffs eventually, down the line, will be a lot higher for us here in the Northwest Territories than in Alberta, and it may have a negative impact in the future. We are setting the stage for the future. Maybe the First Nations up there will be get involved in gas production and oil production so that they do not have to pay the high tariff later on. This is my understanding of what the MOUs were. It is not the opening of our country or allowing pipelines to come through. This is setting the stage so that people in the North will eventually benefit more from our natural resources. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Question 252-13(7): Progress On Northern Accord Negotiations
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke about the issue of transferring positions from the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development's Northern Affairs Program to the North. This has been an ongoing issue for the last three years, with an effort by this government and certainly I have spoken about it for the last three years, to try and pursue the transfer of those positions. It is our understanding that the Northern Affairs Program has 135 positions in Ottawa, but if we are reasonable about it, we can identify 60 to 70 positions that could potentially be transferred to the North that are dedicated strictly to northern programs. That may have to be divided between Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Now, the department has done studies on this, Mr. Speaker, and the studies did suggest that this should come about. There were two studies completed, and there was to be a third phase, but the department felt that there was no necessity for the third phase. I understood that the Minister of Indian Affairs and

Northern Development was going to make an announcement on this matter a number of weeks ago. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to give us an update. First, let me ask if he has had any discussions recently with the federal Minister about this issue? Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier has been taking the lead on this issue. As I understand it, the federal government hired a consultant to advise them on how best to proceed to answer the question of whether they should go through the exercise of decentralizing staff and their responsibilities of administration to the territories of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and the Yukon, particularly in regard to the Northern Affairs Program. They have already done phase one and phase two of the study, and as I understand, recently Jane Stewart, the Minister, has said she will forego phase three and simply fortify herself to make a decision on the issue of whether or not she agrees to decentralize staff and resources from the department and the Northern Affairs program within her department to the Northwest Territories, Nunavut, and the Yukon. The Premier is planning to have a meeting with Ms. Stewart next week, and this will be on the agenda. Thank you.

Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has our government analyzed the positions that are affected? It seems that the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs has identified 135 positions. Then they stated, but only a certain percentage of that really affects programs here in the North. The rest are policy and so forth. Could the Minister tell me if we have done our own analysis of these positions to see which ones are appropriately positioned in the North? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have done some analysis of the positions and the resources that are at stake here, and we should be prepared to table that for Ministers or for Members when it is available so that they can review those. Hopefully, a decision will be made fairly shortly by the Minister, Jane Stewart. She is still the Minister. There has been no Cabinet shuffle, so fortunately she now has time to make that decision. I will look forward to hearing from her and our Premier next week. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

At the time that I raised this issue, I asked if this government would request the federal government to do an analysis of all positions of all departments in the federal government. Could the Minister tell me if that has been followed up on with regard to transfers to the North? For example, there is the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and Environment, and there are others. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The federal government, as far as we know, has been only open to reviewing the question of decentralization from the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Fisheries and Oceans and Environment and the other federal departments have no interest and no mandate to discuss decentralization of their staff and resources at this time. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If they are not interested in discussing this in the other departments, what is this government doing about addressing that particular issue to try and see what is more appropriately located here in the North? Their argument for the Northern Affairs Program is that it is more effective to have people that are making decisions on the North located here in the North. If that is the case with other government officials in other departments, then it should also pertain to those departments. As I said earlier, a good example was that if it had not been for us here in the North, us being all people of the North, Hay River people, the Yellowknife people, the legislative people, the Ministers, the MLAs, we would not have a value-added industry developing here in the Northwest Territories, which could be a major industry in Canada. We are the ones that are able to identify this. We need to also address this in terms of other departments and see whether those positions would be more appropriately located here. I repeat my question, what is this government doing about analyzing other departments? Thanks.

Supplementary To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have not done any work on analyzing the question of decentralization and its benefits and impact with regard to the North and with respect to federal departments. We have not done any work in that area. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
Question 253-13(7): Moving Federal Positions North
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus.

Question 254-13(7): Community Market Garden Development Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

July 28th, 1999

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development in the area of market gardens, the Community Market Garden Development Program. Mr. Speaker, for some time now all we have been hearing about is what we are going to do in the area of diamond mines and subsidizing gold mines and oil and gas, all the rest of that kind of stuff. People have been asking, when are we going to start supporting and promoting non-renewable resources in the North? We are very, very pleased that the Minister has announced this support for the Community Market Garden Development Program. I am not sure when the press release came out because the press release is not dated. However, it is number 99-065. The press release says, a new program is supporting development of small-scale foods and market garden production in the Northwest Territories. The Community Market Garden Development Program was recently announced by Minister Stephen Kakfwi. Mr. Kakfwi is quoted as saying,"Market gardens can play a vital role in northern life, with committed support from the department, not only will community residents learn more about food, it will also provide a valuable stable community service." Mr. Speaker, we thought this was a great idea, so we checked into it a little bit. The press release states that a maximum of $5,000 is available to cover capital start-up costs, and that is true. What it did not say is that $5,000 is the total amount that is allocated for the North Slave region. I would like to ask the Minister what he meant when he said, with committed support from the department? Could he explain that, please?