This is page numbers 695 - 716 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was project.

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Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must say, Mr. Speaker, that is based on very, very unsound presumptions. That is saying that the northern contractors arbitrarily increase their bidding by 20 percent just to inflate the cost. What the Minister is saying is really troubling, Mr. Speaker.

The Minister has already said that for years now, we have not been getting bids from southern Canada. Maybe it has nothing to do with BIP. It has to do with the fact that Alberta, BC and everybody is in full economy -- full, booming economy. Why should Northerners not take advantage of that? Does he understand the unsoundness of his argument, Mr. Speaker?

Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

I am not sure of the question. The Chair is uncertain of the question. Ms. Lee, I will give you the opportunity to ask a question. Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister saying that the northern contractors, just out of habit are just arbitrarily increasing their bidding by 20 percent, just for the heck of it? Is that what the Minister is saying?

Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Further Return To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not saying that. Mr. Speaker, I was saying that if we take things at face value, we could assume that, but we do not know that. We do not know whether the bids are inflated by 20 percent.

What we will find out from this bidding process is whether or not the northern contractors' bids are the same from what we received down south. If in fact there is a need for northern contractors to bid higher in order to offset their costs, then that should be reflected, but we do not know that until the bids come in.

What we are trying to achieve here is a cost reduction on the North Slave correctional project. We have no more room. We have reached our limit. There is no more going back to the Finance Minister for more money on this thing. We are trying to keep it within budget. We believe this is one of the options we are willing to try.

Further Return To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I understand the Minister's desperate attempt to see if this will save him money, but everything I see says that it will not. How I understand BIP is that, everything being equal, northern contractors will get some benefit. There is nothing to say that southern contractors will do this cheaper or that lifting BIP would encourage contractors from the south to bid on this.

The only thing this is doing is sending a very, very negative message to the industry, saying you are not appreciating your own policy. That is the point, Mr. Speaker. Does he not agree with my point?

Supplementary To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Finally, a question. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Further Return To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot agree with that.

Further Return To Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Question 228-14(5): Suspension Of The Business Incentive Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in line with my Member's statement. I am going to put this question to the House Leader, the Minister of Finance, or maybe the Deputy Premier, but it has to do with the suspension or waiving or cancellation of the BIP policy on the project here in Yellowknife, the correctional centre.

My question is, who exactly is in charge of this project right now? Is it DPW? Is it a project manager? If it is a project manager, is he working for DPW or is he working for another firm? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Deputy Premier, I would like to take this as a question to our government. The Department of Public Works and Services is responsible for this contract, so they are in charge of this contract. Thank you.

Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask, who exactly made the decision to cancel or waive the BIP policy on this project? Was it a Cabinet decision or was it a Minister's decision? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was a Cabinet decision to de-BIP the second phase of the North Slave Correctional Centre. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is setting a very dangerous precedent, in that there are an awful lot of contracts that have been awarded in the Territories using the BIP policy. To change horses in mid-stream here is setting quite a precedent.

I was wondering if the amount of money that we had to spend as a government on this project, right from day one, was ever identified to the people setting this project in place and putting out the tenders, and it was stated that we could not go over this amount? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, there was an amount of approximately $35 million, so it was originally identified for the total project. A couple of months ago, we came back with a supp for another $5.8 million. I am not too sure. I have to be sure on the numbers, but the numbers are there. Now, we are told that they want to come back for another $4 million to $5 million. We know how tough it is to go through a supp, so we have to try to look for different options on how to deal with this issue. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on a project that is in a runaway mode such as this, I am hoping that the government looks very seriously at ever putting another project in place such as this with the same conditions attached to it.

I would like to ask, Mr. Speaker, what companies bid on this project and how well did they fit the BIP policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is more of a detailed question, the numbers and who bid. I am sure they are all under the BIP policy to get this far in this process, so I will take the question as notice and get the proper information for the Member. Thank you.