Debates of Oct. 2nd, 2003
This is page numbers 1143 - 1180 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was policy.
Topics
- Members Present
- Item 1: Prayer
- Minister's Statement 81-14(6): Weekend Meeting With Federal Infrastructure Minister Allan Rock And Secretary Of State
- Minister's Statement 82-14(6): Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement
- Minister's Statement 83-14(6): Activities Of The Department Of Finance
- Minister's Statement 84-14(6): Literacy Week 2003 - Celebrating Literacy In The Nwt
- Minister's Statement 85-14(6): National Diamond Strategy
- Hay River Divisional Education Authority And The South Slave Divisional Education Council
- Access To The Community Futures Program In The Deh Cho Constituency
- Lack Of Affordable Housing In Yellowknife
- Lack Of Palliative Care Services In Northern Communities
- Need For A Separate Divisional Education Council For Hay River
- Aurora College Infrastructure Needs In Yellowknife
- Clawback Of The National Child Benefit Supplement
- Involvement Of Tax-based Municipalities In The Devolution Process
- Lack Of Resources For Vital Statistics Office In Inuvik
- Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
- Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
- Question 356-14(5): Education Governance Issues In Hay River
- Question 357-14(6): Lot Subsidies In Inuvik
- Question 358-14(6): Decentralization Of GNWT Positions
- Question 359-14(6): Vital Statistics Office In Inuvik
- Question 360-14(6): Clawback Of The National Child Benefit Supplement
- Question 361-14(6): Palliative Care Programs In Small Communities
- Question 362-14(6): Education Governance Issues In Hay River
- Question 363-14(6): Access To The Community Futures Program In The Deh Cho Constituency
- Question 364-14(6): Aurora College Student Housing Shortage In Yellowknife
- Question 365-14(6): Community Involvement In Devolution Negotiations
- Question 366-14(6): Lot Subsidies In Inuvik
- Written Question 10-14(6): Lot Subsidy Payments In Inuvik
- Written Question 11-14(6): Ministerial Discretion In Allocation Of Funding
- Bill 25: Municipal Statutes Replacement Act
- Tabled Document 91-14(6): Pension Administration Report; Retiring Allowances Act And Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act To March 31, 2003
- Tabled Document 92-14(6): Annual Report Of The Office Of The Languages Commissioner For The Fiscal Year 2002-2003
- Tabled Document 93-14(6): Inter-jurisdictional Survey Results Of Levels Of Support For Disabled Persons
- Tabled Document 94-14(6): Department Of Health And Social Services; Palliative Care And Respite Care Services
- Motion 16-14(6): To Develop Strategies For Diversified Diamond Processing
- Motion 17-14(6): To Resubmit A One Rate Zone Application To The Public Utilities Board
- Motion 15-14(6): To Rescind The Revised Business Incentive Policy, Carried
- Bill 31: An Act To Amend The Official Languages Act, No. 3
- Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Act
- Bill 31: An Act To Amend The Official Languages Act, No. 3
- Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
- Bill 20: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 2003-2004
- Bill 23: An Act To Amend The Safety Act
- Committee Motion 131-14(6): To Amend Clause 4 Of Bill 23, Carried
- Committee Motion 132-14(6): To Amend Clause 6 Of Bill 23, Carried
- Bill 27: An Act To Amend The Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act
- Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
- Bill 19: Write-off Of Debts Act, 2003-2004
- Petition 6-14(6): Financial Assistance For Students In Aklavik
- Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Roger Allen, Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Honourable Joe Handley, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Mr. McLeod, Honourable Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Nitah, Honourable Jake Ootes, Mr. Roland, Honourable Vince Steen, Honourable Tony Whitford
---Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey. Please be seated. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Kakfwi.
Minister's Statement 81-14(6): Weekend Meeting With Federal Infrastructure Minister Allan Rock And Secretary Of State
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Saturday, October 4, 2003, Transportation Minister Joe Handley and I will be meeting with the federal Minister responsible for Infrastructure and Minister of Industry, the Honourable Allan Rock.
Secretary of State for Rural Development, the Honourable Andy Mitchell, will accompany Mr. Rock.
I cannot speak about the specifics of the agenda, but you can be assured that Minister Handley and I will continue to make a forceful case for federal investment in the Northwest Territories for infrastructure and we expect positive results.
Mr. Speaker, Members will be provided with a full account of our meeting early next week.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Minister's Statement 81-14(6): Weekend Meeting With Federal Infrastructure Minister Allan Rock And Secretary Of State
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Premier. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine.
Minister's Statement 82-14(6): Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report to this Legislative Assembly that the Tlicho Land Claims and Self-Government Agreement was signed in Rae on August 25, 2003.
I had the pleasure to sign this historic and important agreement on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories along with Premier Kakfwi. I am also pleased to note that many other Members of the Legislative Assembly were able to travel to Rae to participate in the ceremony.
Mr. Speaker, Grand Chief Joe Rabesca, Chief Eddie Paul Rabesca, Chief Joseph Judas, Chief Charlie Nitsiza and Chief Archie Wetrade signed the agreement on behalf of the Tlicho people. Finally, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Robert Nault, Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, signed on behalf of the Government of Canada.
Mr. Speaker, in recognition of the importance of this agreement with the Tlicho people, the Northwest Territories and Canada, Prime Minister Chretien also attended the ceremony and witnessed the agreement on behalf of the Government of Canada.
Mr. Speaker, I congratulate the Tlicho people on this incredible accomplishment. As I have previously reported to this Assembly, the Tlicho agreement is unique. It will be the first treaty in the Northwest Territories to address the inherent right of self-government. It is also the first land claims agreement whose settlement area has extensive overlap with lands used by other aboriginal people.
The Tlicho agreement is also unique in Northwest Territories claims in that the Tlicho will have both surface and sub-surface ownership of a single block of land totalling about 39,000 square kilometres surrounding their four communities.
Mr. Speaker, as someone who has been personally involved in this negotiating process since its very early stages, I believe that the Tlicho agreement has set a new standard for land and self-government claims across the country. For the first time, aboriginal people will not be required to cede or surrender their aboriginal rights as a result of this treaty. This is a huge step forward and one that aboriginal people have been trying to achieve for a great many years.
Mr. Speaker, the Tlicho agreement was also unique because of the way the public and interested groups were invited to comment on the draft agreement. Following the first initialling of the agreement by chief negotiators last September, the agreement was released to the public for review and comment to assist negotiators to amend and improve the agreement.
In October 2002, the chief negotiators sent letters to about 40 groups and organizations, including aboriginal organizations, offering to meet with them to discuss any concerns or suggestions they may have with respect to the agreement.
The chief negotiators met with seven aboriginal organizations and 10 other groups who requested meetings. The Tlicho also had bilateral discussions with the Deh Cho First Nations and the Akaitcho Dene First Nations to discuss overlap issues. They subsequently signed an overlap agreement with the Deh Cho in Fort Providence on October 31, 2002, and with Akaitcho on November 27, 2002.
Mr. Speaker, when the revised agreement was initialed for a second time early in 2003, the ratification process was set in motion. On June 27, 2003, the Tlicho people overwhelmingly ratified the agreement. The Government of the Northwest Territories and the Government of Canada subsequently approved the agreement leading to the signing ceremony in Rae on August 25.
Mr. Speaker, I firmly believe this agreement should be welcomed by all people in the Northwest Territories and those who wish to invest in the Northwest Territories, as the agreement clarifies land ownership and jurisdiction over a large portion of the Northwest Territories. It also clarifies the future relationship between the Tlicho government, the GNWT and Canada. The next step for the GNWT is to work with the Tlicho and Canada to bring forward legislation required for the agreement to come into effect.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to acknowledge the efforts of the many people on all sides of the table who worked so hard for so long to make this agreement a reality. I would also like to thank the community of Rae for hosting a very well-organized ceremony and for the outstanding hospitality. I know that Prime Minister Chretien certainly enjoyed himself. He indicated that the next time he comes to Rae, he wants to use the paddle he received as a gift to go fishing with Grand Chief Rabesca.
Mr. Speaker, I am very proud to have been a part of the Legislative Assembly that contributed to reaching this historic agreement. An agreement that provides the Tlicho people with the tools to secure their economic future and to take their rightful place as a new government in the Northwest Territories.
Finally, and most importantly, Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the elders, people and leadership of the Tlicho on this remarkable and historic accomplishment. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
Minister's Statement 82-14(6): Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Antoine. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Handley.
Minister's Statement 83-14(6): Activities Of The Department Of Finance
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today about some of the activities of the Department of Finance over the past four years.
The department's mandate is to obtain the financial resources needed to implement the GNWT's policies and programs. This includes negotiating major financial agreements with the federal government, making recommendations on tax and fiscal policy, collecting the GNWT's taxes, and managing our cash and debt requirements.
Fulfilling this mandate has been particularly challenging over the last four years, as the GNWT faced growing expenditure needs in critical areas such as health care, education, and infrastructure, and in responding to the demands placed on our government by our rapidly growing economy.
We now anticipate that total government revenues over the last four fiscal years, 2000-01 to 2003-04, will exceed total operating expenditures by more than $100 million. However, much of this was in the form of one-time revenues, and the ongoing fiscal outlook is for expenditures to outstrip revenues, requiring continued strategies to close the fiscal gap.
A number of issues relating to the calculation of formula financial grant entitlements were resolved in favour of the GNWT, resulting in adjustments to grant payments of more than $150 million. In addition, several large, one-time corporate income tax adjustments contributed significant amounts to addressing the government's fiscal shortfalls.
Over these four years, the Department of Finance has also played a major role in intergovernmental fiscal arrangements. Discussions with Finance Canada on renewal of the formula financing agreement and on the transfer of nonrenewable resource revenues to NWT governments are ongoing. Together with other government departments, Finance advanced the NWT case to federal officials with respect to funding for resource development, infrastructure and health care. We have made considerable progress in advancing the arguments why per capita funding allocations are not appropriate for the Territories.
In the 2001 budget, I announced that the GNWT would change the way we levy personal income tax. The move to a tax on income approach increased our flexibility to set tax brackets and rates. Acting on the recommendations of the Minister's Advisory Committee on Personal Income Tax, the department undertook to develop legislation that introduced a minimum cost-of-living tax credit for low-income NWT residents; reduced the tax burden for low-income tax payers; and increased tax support for seniors and persons with disabilities. These changes were approved by the Legislative Assembly for the 2002 tax year.
The Department of Finance is responsible for protecting the government's assets through appropriate risk management and insurance programs. The cost of property losses to the GNWT has declined substantially over the last five years and, in an increasingly difficult worldwide insurance market, the GNWT has been able to maintain affordable coverage.
The Department of Finance also includes the NWT Bureau of Statistics. The bureau is the government's central statistical office and has done an outstanding job of ensuring we have current, consistent and accurate data about our economy, our social conditions and our population. The bureau's 2002 population survey, as well as its detailed methodological review of Statistics Canada's census and coverage results, contributed significantly to the improved NWT population figures released by Statistics Canada in late September.
The NWT Liquor Commission and the administration and enforcement of liquor licensing also falls within the mandate of the department. Over the last four years, the focus has been on responding to community preferences.
Of course, Mr. Speaker, in the time available, it is only possible to touch on a few of the department's activities. I would also comment that much remains to be done to ensure we achieve our goal of fiscal sustainability and the department remains focused on that task.
Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for the hard work and dedication of the staff of the Department of Finance in pursuing the goals set by this Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
Minister's Statement 83-14(6): Activities Of The Department Of Finance
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Ootes.
Minister's Statement 84-14(6): Literacy Week 2003 - Celebrating Literacy In The Nwt
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. September 28 to October 4 is Literacy Week in the Northwest Territories, an opportunity for communities and residents to celebrate reading and support the need for literacy throughout our society.
Literacy is a person's ability to listen, speak, read, write, represent, compute and solve problems. This government has a vision for the Northwest Territories where all people can read and write, allowing them to participate as citizens, functioning fully in the family, in the community and on the job. We also see the NWT as a place where people value literacy in all official languages.
Since adopting the NWT literacy strategy in 2001, many exciting partnerships have been formed: with the NWT Literacy Council, Aurora College, the Native Women's Association of the Northwest Territories, the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities, the NWT Seniors' Society, just to name a few. These groups work to ensure that the literacy needs of all citizens are taken care of. Partnerships also include non-government organizations at the local level and with the business sector. This ensures literacy remains at the forefront of all our efforts.
To help and encourage communities to celebrate Literacy Week, kits were sent to all schools, literacy programs, community learning centres, early childhood programs, libraries, friendship centres, community health representatives and other community groups. The kit contains a variety of literacy activities that can be delivered in each community.
Mr. Speaker, literacy is an issue that affects us all. Literacy contributes directly to a higher quality of life for individuals. This, in turn, fosters a more productive and self-reliant society.
I'd like to leave us with a quote today from Roy Richardson of Rae who won a Canada Post Literacy Award on Tuesday at the adult learners' luncheon held at Aurora College. He said, "I was afraid that people would tell me that I couldn't learn how to read. Two years of schooling got me here and I am afraid of nothing now."
Mr. Speaker, we couldn't have said this better. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
Minister's Statement 84-14(6): Literacy Week 2003 - Celebrating Literacy In The Nwt
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine.
Minister's Statement 85-14(6): National Diamond Strategy
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. On Monday, September 29, I met with provincial, territorial and federal mine Ministers in Halifax to review progress on the national diamond strategy.
I am pleased to report that the provincial and territorial mine Ministers approved and released a mandated work plan and the document "Towards a National Diamond Strategy." This document will be provided to the Premiers for their consideration at the council meeting on October 24.
Canada's diamond industry leaders and the federal government are both very interested in the national diamond strategy, which this government is co-leading with the Government of Quebec.
The strategy will look at a range of issues across the entire diamond industry including diamond exploration, mining, rough diamonds, polished diamonds, diamond jewelry, diamond retail sales and diamond tourism.
The Premier and I met with NWT diamond industry representatives on September 19 and we made a commitment to consult with them as the strategy is being developed. I will be sending the mandate, the work plan for the steering committee, which will consist of provincial and territorial governments, and the discussion paper on the national diamond strategy to them.
At the Northern Development Ministers' Conference in Iqaluit on September 25th and 26th, the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs, Robert Nault, announced that his department would conduct a diamond industry study and encouraged provinces and territories to participate. At the mine Ministers' meeting, Natural Resources Canada reported on the first diamond roundtable meeting held in Edmonton in May.
Mr. Speaker, the provinces and territories are considering their involvement in these federal initiatives and are concerned about duplication of effort.
Our first commitment is to the national diamond strategy that was initiated by the western Premiers' at their conference in Kelowna earlier this year and later endorsed by all the Premiers at their annual conference in Prince Edward Island in July. I can also say that the work plan of the steering committee for the national diamond strategy refers to a second national diamond roundtable to be held in the Northwest Territories next May or June.
Mr. Speaker, I will continue to keep Members of this legislature informed about progress on the national diamond strategy. Mahsi cho.
---Applause
Minister's Statement 85-14(6): National Diamond Strategy
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Mahsi, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.
Hay River Divisional Education Authority And The South Slave Divisional Education Council
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am sure that most of my colleagues in the House know of the highly-publicized and sometimes acrimonious relationship between the Hay River District Education Authority and the South Slave Divisional Education Council. Suffice it to say, Mr. Speaker, I do not believe that the residents and students of Hay River are being well served through this relationship with the South Slave Divisional Education Council. The residents of Hay River elect the people who sit on the Hay River DEA in a fair and democratic manner. The authority, in turn, chooses the representatives to sit on the South Slave Divisional Education Council and to look after the students of the second-largest community in the Northwest Territories.
Hay River's representative on the South Slave Divisional Education Council has been supported by fellow DEA members because of his diligence in pointing out inequities in funding allocation with the community of Hay River, and its students have suffered as a result of the decisions made at the divisional board level. Some would say that his representation has been done so well that the South Slave Divisional Education Council has kicked the Hay River representative off the council by stating that his questioning their decision goes against board policy.
It seems inequitable, Mr. Speaker, for the largest community in the division with the majority of the students to not be proportionately represented on the divisional council. Maybe we need a court challenge on the same basis as the case put forward by the Friends of Democracy, citing the representation by population argument. No matter who the representative of the education council is, we have a problem with the process for distributing resources. Quite apart from whether other council members and the DEC staff like the democratically selected Hay River rep, and quite apart from the exception they have taken to his unrelenting advocating on behalf of the Hay River DEA students and educators.
Mr. Speaker, we are at an impasse. There are two choices: find the money to fund a stand-alone education authority for the resident and students of Hay River, or address the issues that made the South Slave Divisional Education Council dysfunctional in the first place.
Mr. Speaker, sitting on the fence is not an option and I'll be questioning the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment later on this matter to see if he has any suggestions of how we can get beyond this impasse. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
Hay River Divisional Education Authority And The South Slave Divisional Education Council
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.
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