Mr. Chairman, the term "consultation" is also defined in the act and I think the rationale behind the different provisions in the area of consulting with government is that our laws and our regulations be compatible with the Tlicho government and the territorial government in regard to the land and the use of the land and what happens on the land and so forth. Since we're partnership governments, we want to collaborate and want to have the different provisions controlling or administering the provisions there to be compatible. Thank you.
Debates of Oct. 9th, 2003
This is page numbers 1355 - 1396 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was tlicho.
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question also dealing with the Tlicho government's jurisdiction and powers to legislate taxation on its land and I believe that's part of the agreement. I understand for that reason the Tlicho government had to enter into the tax treatment agreement. I just wanted to put on record, I wanted to ask this question for public information purposes. Is there any agreement in it about possible sharing of tax between Tlicho government and territorial government or the federal government? Or does it just speak to the Tlicho government's power to tax their own people? Thank you.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll ask Deputy Minister Bargery to respond to that. Thank you.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bargery
Just for clarification, Mr. Chairman, was the Member referring to the tax treatment agreement or a specific clause in the agreement, 7.4.5? That provides for direct taxation of Tlicho citizens on Tlicho lands and in Tlicho communities which they can do and enact laws to do. It doesn't anticipate tax sharing agreements, which I think is the Member's point. The agreement itself is permissive, as I said earlier, in terms of tax sharing agreements for taxation purposes. We are not in discussions with the Tlicho on tax sharing at this point. We have had some in the past, but they're not ongoing. I do understand that the federal government does have some discussions ongoing about tax sharing. I'm not certain where those are, but again, my understanding of that discussion is that it's about tax sharing, but it's about tax sharing based on the current rates that are in place so it wouldn't increase the tax burden on any citizens in the Tlicho region. I hope that answers the question, Mr. Chairman.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand that the negotiations are between the Tlicho government and the Government Canada, but not with the GNWT. I'm no expert in taxation and I don't claim to know a lot about it, but if there's an agreement between Tlicho government and Government of Canada to share tax, would that affect the share that the GNWT would get out of the taxes that the government would be collecting? Thank you.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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The Chair David Krutko
Just a reminder, Ms. Lee. The taxation section comes under clause 8, but I'll allow your question. You can probably get a little more input when we get to clause 8. Mr. Antoine.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
I'll refer this one to Mr. Bargery, please.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bargery
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I said, the agreement is bilateral between Canada and the Tlicho, but my understanding is it deals with federal income tax, not taxation that the Government of the Northwest Territories raises. I guess the short answer is no.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to move that we report progress.
Bill 34: Tlicho Land Claims And Self-government Agreement Act
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The Chair David Krutko
There's a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. We'll rise and report progress. I'd like to thank the Minister and his witnesses. Sergeant-at-arms, could you escort the witnesses out.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
The House will now come back to order. May I have the report of Committee of the Whole? The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 34, Tlicho Land Claims and Self-Government Agreement Act, and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Do we have a seconder for the motion? The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine, seconds the motion. All those in favour? All those opposed?
The motion is carried, in the chair's opinion.
---Carried
I just want to take a moment to thank the members of Tlicho for coming to observe this very important debate in the House. I was asked to explain what we're doing. We're taking a break today, a normal routine, and we'll resume that important debate again tomorrow at 10:00 in the morning. You're most welcome again to be here to participate or to observe the progress that your Assembly is making.
Item 21, third reading of bills. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine.
Bill 22: Waste Reduction And Recovery Act
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
October 9th, 2003
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, that Bill 22, Waste Reduction and Recovery Act, be read for the third time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Bill 22: Waste Reduction And Recovery Act
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Bill 22: Waste Reduction And Recovery Act
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Bill 22: Waste Reduction And Recovery Act
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
---Carried
Bill 22 has had third reading. Item 21, third reading of bills. The honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.
Bill 24: Midwifery Profession Act
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh, that Bill 24, Midwifery Profession Act, be read for the third time.
---Applause
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Bill 24: Midwifery Profession Act
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
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The Speaker Tony Whitford
Now that's loyalty. We have a motion on the floor. The motion is in order.