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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. We have a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Lafferty.

Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the debate in the House last week, a lot of Members raised concerns, some for and some against the motion of implementing the harmonization initiative. We have seen from a few of the Members on this side, we saw that some of the larger centres were for the harmonization initiative, some were against it just because there wasn't enough information out there. So we did have a vote on the motion. We have the picture that some of the urban centre MLAs want this program in place. So we figured we would accommodate them by putting a motion in place that they can't refuse. This is the motion we have come up with. I support the motion because we are going to deal with everyone and I think it's going to be fair to everyone by not implementing the smaller communities, but leaving it only for the larger centres, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. To the motion. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, that Motion 8-14(6) be amended by deleting the words "implemented in tax-based communities only" after "social housing strategy be" and substituting "deferred until no later than March 31, 2004;

AND FURTHER that a working group of Regular Members and Ministers of the 14th Assembly be established to conduct a comprehensive review of the harmonization strategy.

Mr. Speaker, I seek a recorded vote.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Let's go one step at a time here. We have a motion to amend and that's what we will deal with first. The motion to amend is in order. We will circulate a copy of the motion. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. Mr. McLeod.

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote on this motion.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

The honourable Member is requesting a recorded vote. This is on the amendment. To the amendment. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this session of the Legislative Assembly has been dominated by this harmonization program. Those of us who have represented the smaller communities see the major impact, the negative impact, that harmonization will have on our communities and our constituents. We have been fighting in this House, explaining to our colleagues and to government the reasons why this harmonization should not go ahead. We have managed to poke holes in the harmonization program. We know our constituents have not been consulted properly. There is more work needed.

Obviously, government and a lot of Members in this Legislative Assembly believe that harmonization is something we must do in the future to encourage people to take advantage of employment. That's something that I agree with entirely. How we get there, Mr. Speaker, is important. We have to be sensitive to the fact that there are few options in the communities and fewer options in the Territories in terms of housing. Public housing clientele are going to be affected very negatively, especially those single parents, elders and students.

We are in a transition period and I believe that by establishing a working committee of Cabinet Members and Regular MLAs to go through this harmonization program in its entirety we will ensure that the sensitive factor of the confidentiality of clients of income support and public housing is addressed, that single parents will not be forced to see rent increases so drastic that their only option is to move south or get on income support. Those kinds of questions need to be asked and answered and the harmonization program should address all those things. Today it's not. I think this is a motion that will address this issue. We will go ahead with it, but we will do it responsibly. I support this amended motion. I encourage my colleagues in this House to do the same so we can do a better job. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. To the amendment. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week when the first motion on harmonization came up, I stood and enumerated a number of issues I had with the harmonization initiative. I pointed out how the communication had been inadequate, how I thought the implementation was flawed because it wasn't being phased in for all of the people it would affect and it was only being phased in for seniors and students. I had challenged the government to recognize that it needed to be changed so that it wasn't a program that had to be only cost-neutral. I think that's at the heart of what the problem is. If we insist that the program be cost-neutral right off the bat, you can't phase in everybody. It's not right to expect people to make dramatic changes or deal with dramatic changes in their rent all at once.

So I think that in theory the issue of harmonization is a good way to go. I think we should treat people the same whether they are single parents or seniors if they are in need. I think we have to find some way to make sure that the kids who live in single parent families have the support that our society thinks is necessary to give them, just as we think it's necessary to support seniors. I don't think we can do that if we have to have a system that's cost-neutral.

So in spite of my concerns, I thought I had gotten a signal from Cabinet that they were going to announce some changes to the program in how it was going to be brought forward and implemented. So at the time, I didn't support the motion to defer. However, Mr. Speaker, not having heard anything from Cabinet that has dramatically changed the manner of implementation, I will at this time be supporting this amendment and then the amended motion if this amendment passes because I agree that the implementation needs to have some examination. It needs to be brought forward in a manner that is reasonable and fair to all of our constituents. So, Mr. Speaker, with that I just wanted to say that I would encourage all Members to support this amendment.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. To the amendment.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. A request for a recorded vote has been made. All those in favour?

Recorded Vote

Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. McLeod, Mr. Bell, Mr. Nitah, Mr. Braden, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Mr. Roland, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

All those opposed?

Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Delorey.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

All those abstaining?

Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Steen, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Handley, Mr. Allen, Mr. Ootes.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Those in favour, 10; those opposed, one; those abstaining, six. The motion to amend is carried.

---Carried

To the motion, as amended.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried, as amended.

---Carried

Item 17, first reading of bills. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Handley.

Bill 14: An Act To Amend The Public Service Act, Carried
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

March 10th, 2003

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, that Bill 14, An Act to Amend the Public Service Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

We have a motion and the motion is in order. To the motion.