This is page numbers 437 - 472 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was language.

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Honourable Roger Allen, Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Honourable Joe Handley, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Mr. McLeod, Honourable Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Nitah, Honourable Jake Ootes, Mr. Roland, Honourable Vince Steen

-- Prayer

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent.

Annual Report On The Staff Retention Policy
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on October 21, 2003, I asked the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat whether all annual reports required in the staff retention policy had been laid before the Legislative Assembly as required under section 20 of that policy. I had been unable to find them.

Mr. Speaker, I subsequently received a letter from the Minister admitting the information had not been tabled as required by the policy and promising to ensure that it was included in the next public service annual report. The letter noted that the information had been provided to members in a presentation to committee. It went on to say the information provided was not consistent with the requirements set out in the policy. The Minister attached a copy of the report provided to the committee to the letter he sent me.

Since the report had been provided to a committee, I followed our policy and approached the Minister's office for permission to share it with the person who had raised the issue with me. Mr. Speaker, since the staff retention policy required publicly reporting the information to the Assembly, you can imagine my surprise when the Minister's office refused permission to release the document.

We are supposed to have an open and accountable government. We have a policy in place that requires information to be publicly reported. I requested the information publicly in this House, yet I was provided the response by way of private correspondence and then told I could not share it. Mr. Speaker, that's not right.

The Minister and the government must follow a policy and provide information publicly as set out in their own policy, not just in the future, but for all periods in the past that were to be covered by the policy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Braden.

Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The number of organizations in the NWT that are more than 50 years old is a rather short list, but this weekend one new organization was added to that, Mr. Speaker. The Royal Canadian Legion, Branch 164, held a banquet on Saturday to mark the occasion; the occasion of the naming of the branch, for Right Honourable Vincent Massey, a distinguished Canadian diplomat and Governor General, whose name was taken for that branch on February 27, 1953. The Yellowknife Legion's days really go back a number of years earlier, Mr. Speaker, to 1945 when some 19 returning veterans from the Second World War gathered fellow veterans together and started today's organization.

Mr. Speaker, the 470 members of today's Yellowknife branch joined branches in Hay River and Inuvik as members of the Canadian Legion's Half Century Club. Across Canada there are some 1,800 branches, some 750,000 members, and they have a 78-year history. They started in 1925 to help assure better pensions for veterans and since then, the Royal Canadian Legion has become an institution in towns and cities across Canada.

Mr. Speaker, legions pay their own way. They pay taxes, they have a big payroll, they have extensive youth and member programs and make contributions in the millions of dollars and hundred of thousands of hours of community service. In Yellowknife alone, the branch here anticipates returning some $250,000 to the community. There are six legion branches in the NWT that are valued parts of our heritage, our community and our future. Canada owes much to the men and women who served in the field of battle and in the name of peace, Mr. Speaker. I want to pay tribute to all veterans in the Second World War who were at Saturday evening's event: Dusty Miller of the Royal Canadian Air Force; Jack Adderley of the Canadian Navy; Bishop John Sperry of the British Navy; Ethel Wilson of the Canadian Army and from the Korean War, veteran Jan Stirling also of the Canadian Army. Mr. Speaker, we congratulate the Legion, its members and wish them a great future. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for North Slave, Mr. Lafferty.

Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to raise some concerns about the government's proposed harmonization project. This project was first recommended during the 13th Assembly. The goal of harmonization was to create a common policy framework that would see all income treated in a credible and consistent manner and a policy that ensures public housing rental rates provide work incentives for lower income earners. Mr. Speaker, in my eyes, this initiative was flawed from the start. In order to treat all income the same, what has happened is dollars are counted and rent is assessed without consideration of the sources. For example, in determining a household's income, any teenager over 15 who has a job will have to submit pay stubs to the Housing Corporation. Their pay will be considered as part of the calculations for rent. As it has been so rightly pointed out, how many people have a mortgage based on the income of their children, and how many children are expected to contribute to the monthly mortgage payment?

To continue on the issue of harmonization, Mr. Speaker, this double standard has been created through the harmonization initiative. When rental rates are based solely on household income, the size and condition of the public housing unit are not factored in. It does not seem right to me that someone living in an older two-bedroom unit in need of repairs should be paying the same rent as someone in a new three-bedroom unit just because their income is the same. The size of the family supported by the income also needs to be considered. It is only fair to recognize that $1,000 supporting two people is going to go a lot further than $1,000 supporting 10 people. Determining rental rates solely on pay stubs does Northerners a disservice.

Mr. Speaker, many homes in my region are considered in core need. That means they are not suitable for living in. The number one reason why some of the homes are in core need is because of overcrowding. There is a need for more private housing and a need to free up more public housing. This initiative does not address either of these issues.

In the Dogrib region, we have a young population. It is only in the last few years that economic opportunities have been opening up. I would like to see every opportunity made for people to work and it's unfortunate that this harmonization initiative is creating a disincentive to work by penalizing the working poor. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

The honourable Member for North Slave is seeking unanimous consent. Do I hear any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. Lafferty. Continue.

Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, the North is going through an economic boom and this government is saying that the number of people on income support is declining. If this trend continues as it is expected to, there would be nothing left to harmonize. We would be better off focusing on increasing the amount of housing available, both in the private sector and the public sector. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Support For The GNWT Harmonization Strategy
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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to support the GNWT's harmonization initiative. Mr. Speaker, I think it's important that we, as legislators, remember that we are here to serve the people, and that we should always endeavor to remember that we are here to serve the people and that we should always endeavour to remember those that are in need the most. The harmonization initiative, Mr. Speaker, was welcomed in Hay River because one of the basic premises of the public housing rent scale was to ensure that the greatest benefit went to those most in need.

Well, Mr. Speaker, there has been a lot of fear mongering going on in the last several months around the harmonization initiative. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, we are not hearing from the single mothers in public housing who would stand to have their rents decreased by $100 a month on average, if the harmonization initiative was prepared to go ahead. Mr. Speaker, in Hay River, for example, 71 of our current public housing tenants would enjoy a rent decrease; 18 of our public housing tenants would have their rents increased, but only because nine of these people earn an average of $2,300 per month and the other nine earn in excess of $3,300 a month.

Mr. Speaker, it is my feeling that if people are earning that kind of money, they should be paying their fair share in rent. No, Mr. Speaker, it appears that we are hearing most from the small percentage of people whose rents are due to increase as a result of the primary premise behind public housing, and that is rent geared to income. So, Mr. Speaker, in my way of thinking, if this vocal minority is going to have their rents increased, then their rent hasn't properly reflected their income up until now. The harmonization initiative that is proposed, Mr. Speaker, helps those people who need help the most, namely young families with small income.

Mr. Speaker, I have worked very closely with seniors in Hay River and some of them will be affected by the new rent scale. The feeling among our seniors is that they are people who have always paid their own way in life, and like the independence that they have derived from it. So they are prepared to pay some of their income towards housing. I'm not saying, Mr. Speaker, that there are no improvements that could be made to the housing harmonization initiative, such as grandfathering some clients and then putting some clients at full rent. I think there is some improvement that could be made there but I think we've got to start listening to the people that need us the most, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For The GNWT Harmonization Strategy
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Lack Of Performance Indicators In NWT Schools
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had opportunity to travel home this past weekend and talk to a number of constituents during the trip and a couple on the way returning here to Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, in the last week, there have been Members who raised issues around education. As last week was Education Week, it was an opportunity to raise issues around that, whether it was students or whether it was quality. Mr. Speaker, one of the things that came out of the attention that was paid to it last week were some issues raised in this House by my colleague, Mr. Bell. One of my constituents pointed out that Mr. Bell raised some very legitimate concerns about what we find with our education system. As I talked to this individual, I found out more information or lack of it. As Mr. Bell pointed out, we can pull out all kinds of stats around people smoking or STD's as we call them around the Northwest Territories, but tell us what quality of education our children are getting and we can get a number of different answers.

For example, Mr. Speaker, I can say that one of my children is in Grade 10 and that can also be interpreted to say they are not only in Grade 10, they could be in year 10. They aren't necessarily achieving at the Grade 10 level but they could be taking some other courses lower than that. Mr. Speaker, I've raised the question on quite a number of occasions as a Member of this or a previous Assembly about a social pass or peer advance. There are a number of different terms and there is some disagreement on how those issues should go.

But, Mr. Speaker, as Members of the Assembly, we make decisions based on information provided and we need to get accurate information to know if, in fact, the system we are operating within is providing accurate details so that as a parent, I can make the right decisions for my child in school. What I am hearing around the table from different people, those involved in education, is that is not always the case because it can be said that your child is attending and achieving at Grade 6 math, Grade 9 social studies and so on, Mr. Speaker. But, when we ask the education system to provide us information on what grade they are on, they have difficulty in providing that. So I will have appropriate questions for the Minister later. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Range Lake. Ms. Lee.

Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to report to the House about some comments and observations my constituents are making about the capital expenditure priorities of the government on new recreational facilities. Mr. Speaker, this goes to the point I have been making on numerous occasions in this House already, which is that the capital spending on territorial facilities such as the Young Offender Facility and the Correctional Centre does not make it any less necessary for this government to do its part towards the funding of recreational facilities in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, everyone knows that the capital city is experiencing rapid growth and it seems that our property taxes are on an upwards spiral, but our taxes are not enough to meet the demands being put on our community infrastructure. We're falling behind in land development and underground water and sewer pipe replacement. The one that is really falling victim to this, Mr. Speaker, is our youth and recreational facilities. For the most part of past winter months, this city of 18,000 have had to share one ice pad. A large part of this had to do with the lack of funding which made it necessary to extend the life of the old Gerry Murphy Arena as long as possible until it was shut down before the new one could be built. We are very glad that the second ice pad at the new multiplex is operating now, as it has eased the burden, but the sad fact is that this is far from enough to meet the needs of ice time in the city.

It has been brought to my attention, Mr. Speaker, by my constituent, that the city of Iqaluit, with a population of under 9,000, has two ice pads. Yellowknife, with a population of 18,000, just now has two ice pads even with the new one coming on stream. We are in need of at least three ice pads for the population we serve and this means we have no time to rest with the new pads up and running; we have to work on funding the third ice pad. I understand, Mr. Speaker, that the funding for recreation facilities are done by this government through block funding to the city.

This gives no comfort to my constituents who can see with their eyes, the irony of a young offender facility going up side by side with the recreational facility that has had to go through such a struggle to get its funding. I can appreciate how my constituents ask why we seem to spend more money to house young offenders than helping youth to stay out of trouble and lead a healthy and productive life. I really believe it is high time that this government acknowledged that it is falling behind the needs of this growing city, and that it cannot hide behind block funding when it comes to showing commitment to recreational facilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Colleagues, I would like to direct your attention to the presence in the visitor's gallery of the Honourable John McCallum, the Minister of National Defence; the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, Secretary of State for Children and Youth, and Member of Parliament for the Western Arctic; along with Admiral Raymond Zuliani, Chief of Reserve Cadets with the Department of National Defence in Ottawa and also Colonel Norris Pettis, Commander of Canadian Forces, Northern Area. Welcome to the House.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River South. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Reflections On Patriotism
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Groenewegan

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about an issue which is somewhat personal, and that is patriotism. I was inspired by my attendance at a couple of functions over the past two days. On Saturday night I had the opportunity to join with the guests and members of the Royal Canadian Legion, Local 164, Vincent Massey Branch here in Yellowknife. They were celebrating 50 years since the inauguration of the name of their club. There was a lovely a Capella rendition of our National Anthem, with some audience participation.

This morning I had the opportunity to attend the unveiling of new Canadian stamp commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Canadian Rangers. The function included senior representatives from Canada Post, our Western Arctic Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew and the Honourable John McCallum, Minister of National Defence. There were many military personnel, Canadian Rangers and dignitaries, including Commissioner Hansen, and Ministers Antoine and Steen. The venue for this event was the Canadian Forces Northern Area Headquarters. Former Speaker and Member of this Assembly Red Pedersen was in attendance along with his son and grandson; three generations, all of them participants past and present in the Canadian Rangers program.

It was a truly proud Canadian moment, but, Mr. Speaker, with no offence intended to the organizers, there was something very Canadian missing from the program. There was no singing of our National Anthem. When I think of the words of our anthem, I cannot think of a function where the words, "The true north strong and free" and "we stand on guard for thee," would have been more apropos than in the presence of representatives of our military and at a ceremony honouring our Canadian Northern Rangers.

I raise this today because I attend many formal functions and receptions celebrating truly Canadian achievements and remembrances, and many times the National Anthem is not included in the program. Sometimes when it is, otherwise not normally shy people sing about their country in a voice barely louder than a whisper. As leaders where we have an opportunity to influence agendas and programs of programs and functions, we should encourage proud, if somewhat, reserved Canadians to demonstrate their love of country by participating in an enthusiastic and patriotic rendition of O Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Nitah.

Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be speaking in my language, so if you could turn to channel two and put on your ears, I would appreciate it.

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, we travelled to 17 communities. We received a lot of opinions on the languages and the work we've done on the Official Languages Act. We had very important work to do. We worked very hard on it. We had forwarded all our recommendations on how the government is going to be dealing with issues, showing people in Canada how the people are working with their language issues. We also did research and we have completed that work today. We have made many recommendations. We have over 20 pages. When we make recommendations, it's for the use of the people when we do recommendations. We can't expect the government to hang onto our language for us. We are here to help you. It's up to you to hold onto your language. We are here to help you. I am very happy today. I feel warm in my heart. I am here with my committee with the recommendations we will be forwarding. We have 65 recommendations that we have put forth how we are going to be working on these issues. We, the government, are here and we agree we are going to be very helpful towards you, so in the future we do not lose our language. People are saying that our language is how we understand the language in our land in Canada. So we will help each other. The society we have referred to, we are going to have a better life. That's all I am going to tell you. The next one we are going to be going according to the document. Thank you very much.

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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

At this time, I would like to recognize former Languages Commissioner Ms. Betty Harnum and also our Language Commissioner of the Northwest Territories Ms. Fibbie Tatti.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Deputy Speaker

The Deputy Speaker David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize today Mary Rose Sundberg from Dettah. She's the Dogrib interpreter today, as well as Mary Rose and Betty Harnum who are instructors with the Dogrib literacy class in Dettah. Some of the students here today are -- I can't see everyone -- Doreen Liske, Edith Wellin, John Crapeau, Therese Sangris, Beatrice Sangris from Dettah and Lucy Goulet from Ndilo. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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