This is page numbers 843 - 862 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was process.

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Further Return To Question 255-14(6): Awarding Of Campground Contracts In The Deh Cho
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 4, returns to oral questions.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Colleagues, I would like to direct your attention to the presence in the visitors' gallery of a former Member of this Legislative Assembly who served in the 11th and 12th assemblies: Mr. Henry Zoe.

---Applause

He represented the riding of North Slave. Mr. Zoe, welcome. Item 4, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Kakfwi.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

June 5th, 2003

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I rise as the humble husband of Marie Wilson to recognize our friends Bob and Menna Weese of Toronto. Both are former senior civil servants having served the governments in Saskatchewan, Ontario and the federal government. Bob is currently director for intergovernmental relations for General Electric Canada, taking part in the Canadian Chamber of Commerce meeting here. It's Bob and Menna's first trip to Yellowknife. Their sons Dylan and Bryn are both seasonal constituents of mine who work at Great Bear Lake. They are both qualified fishing guides and Dylan is a fish biologist. They are long-term friends.

As well, attending with them are friends of theirs, Mr. and Mrs. Bishop. I would like to welcome them also. Welcome.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize Cindy Gilday who is well known for the environmental battle they fought with the Deline uranium project. I would like to welcome you to the House and thank you for that effort. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome everyone who has attended the Assembly today and welcome back Mr. Zoe. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. As I alluded to in my Member's statement, I am very concerned about the delays that our regulatory process imposes on developers looking to do business in the North. I was very upset to learn about a recent example of NTCL, a local Hay River company, losing a $2.5 million contract as a direct result of uncertainties with our regulatory process. This is not the first time I have heard of businesses just giving up in frustration after experiencing delays with our cumbersome regulatory process, in some cases delays of up to two years. Could the Minister please indicate to this House what his department and this government, as a whole, is doing to address the obvious problems of long delays in our regulatory process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. We are having temporary delays with our sound. The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the honourable Member's question about the development of environmental assessment timelines we, in the government, particularly the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, are aware of the different projects that go forward and go through the regulatory process. There is a problem. I recently wrote a letter in April to Minister Nault who ultimately has the responsibility. We stated that there is no clear process or timeline stipulated in the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, and, therefore, the length of time it takes to go through the process is quite lengthy and, in some cases, it comes to a point where you have the experience of Western Geco deciding not to move ahead this year. However, I hear that they will come again in the future to try this project again. I wrote a letter to the Minister indicating that a set of guidelines needs to be established under the section that deals with that in the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. Particularly, guidelines should be established in consultation with the responsible Ministers and the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board to set out the transparent process and timelines under this section of the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. I have taken the action of writing to the Minister. I haven't received a reply as yet. Thank you.

Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am encouraged by the fact that the Minister is indicating that they are dealing with the federal Minister on this. I certainly hope that a company like Western Geco will stay the course and be willing to come back next year. There is still no guarantee that they are going to get their permits for next year. Would the Minister indicate if he feels that a full review of the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act is warranted due to the delays that we are experiencing now?

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Minister of RWED, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, it is federal legislation, so as a Minister in this department, the course of action we are taking is we are identifying a section in the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, particularly with Section 135 that deals with these guidelines that have been very vague and there's no clear process or timelines stipulated in that section. We're making suggestions to Minister Nault of DIAND that if he could establish such guidelines so that the different companies, the different proponents that want to do development in the North, such as Western Geco, will be treated in a manner that is clear, consistent and transparent. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you hear of cases whereby companies have spent enormous sums of money, and waited in some cases up to two years for their environmental assessment and their final report of the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board, only to have it sit on the federal Minister's desk for months on end before he will give his approval. Is that issue being addressed? The waiting period that it takes the Minister to address issues after it's gone through the environmental process; is there anything being done with that particular issue? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Minister of RWED, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, there are meetings and discussions that take place when the opportunity arises, whenever Minister Nault travels into the North, or at different times when I have the opportunity to be at different meetings or conferences that I attend in the south. We talk about a number of different issues. This has been a subject of discussion in the past, in regards to the length of this process. Over the last year or so, there was a lot of discussion about trying tostreamline this whole process, that it takes a lot of time before a proponent receives a final go-ahead or refusal. It's time consuming and it's costing a lot of dollars for companies. In some cases it's very frustrating. Yes, we relay the concerns to the Minister. Our approach here in this letter is to say that we've identified an area in the act where I think he has the authority to be more concise and clear with a timeframe to be put in place. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Your final supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the process that we have in place today and the delays and, in some cases, rejection being experienced by companies applying for permits and licences for what could be considered, by comparison, very small projects, how does the Minister envision a project the size of the Mackenzie Valley pipeline ever getting off the ground in this regulatory process we have today? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. The honourable Minister of RWED, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, this whole process has been identified as being very cumbersome, and we all know that and we've been relaying that information to the federal Minister. Again, it's federal legislation and we are a stakeholder in this whole area. We don't have control of our resources, and perhaps through devolution, down the line, we will gain control of that and we will be in the driver's seat at that time. But for the time being, in the case of the pipeline, for a number of years there has been work with the different regulatory agencies to try to streamline the process of approval of this project through the Environmental Impact Review Board. There is work being done currently to try to find a way to have this thing go as quickly as possible. I think there is agreement between the agencies, to try to speed this whole process up. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Question 264-14(6): Delays Caused By Regulatory Process
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho. Mr. McLeod.

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask some questions regarding my comments from my Member's statement, or at least the frustration that I'm feeling right now regarding the capital planning. Mr. Speaker, a number of us who represent smaller communities have recognized and have received now our copies of the capital plan for the next five years, and it's quite frustrating to see in my case a whole winter's work, many, many meetings all go down the drain. The slate is just practically wiped clean. Yet, when we look at some of the budgets for the Ministers, they're still managing to hang on to some of their projects. There seems to be a different approach when we have Regular Members versus Ministers. I would like to ask the Minister of FMB to explain the difference between how a regular Member gets an item put on the capital plan, versus how a Minister gets an item put on the capital plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister responsible for FMB, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 265-14(6): Frustrations With The Capital Planning Process
Question 265-14(6): Frustrations With The Capital Planning Process
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process for getting items onto the capital plan is the same for all of us. The communities' needs are identified. Through the business planning process, recommendations are made to us. We review it during the business planning review, and then the main estimates are eventually voted. But it's exactly the same for regular MLAs as it is for Cabinet Ministers. Thank you.