This is page numbers 1769 - 1796 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister was absolutely right on his answer, but that was not the answer to the question I was asking. I am saying that you are in market housing, you are renting from the private industry and you are being kicked out because you can't afford to live there anymore and you are not paying your costs. So you are in private housing, not public housing, not social housing owned by the authorities. I am talking about private housing, you are being kicked out. In the past, you owed arrears to the Housing Corporation. This is what I am talking about; you can't even get on the list. So where does a person go if they can't even get on the list for public housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, as the Member mentioned, the individual he is talking about is in the private housing market; they are not in public housing. As the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, we are only responsible for public housing that are in our stock which includes some 2,300 units. So if the individual is talking about someone who is in the private market; sorry, we are not responsible for those individuals in the private market, only it is those individuals who are in public housing.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At least we agree that we are now talking about private housing out there in the private market. Mr. Speaker, that person in the private housing in the private market has a history and owes arrears in the past to our social housing side. Now, let's agree to that point. Now, they owe arrears from the past dealings. Where do they go if they are being kicked out of private housing initiatives? Where do they go now because they can't qualify for public or social housing? So where do they go now? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again, it is a confusing question because, like I stated, the Housing Corporation deals with clients in public housing. Those are our clients. But if someone wants to get into public housing, they have to be in good standing. If they go from one community with arrears and move to another community, there is an agreement between all of our local housing authorities, the 23 authorities that we have, that if you go from one authority to another authority with your arrears, in order to get into that other community, you have to work out those arrears before you can get back into public housing. Again, the Member is talking about an individual who is in the private sector who is trying to get into public housing. Again, it holds true that, if you are going to go from a private housing market, there are arrangements there where if you have arrears in that market and you are trying to get into public housing, those have to be worked out before you can get into public housing.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am trying to avoid names of places, but it may make it simpler. Mr. Speaker, you rent out of one of Urbco's Garden Apartments right now in the public market and you are being kicked out of that. Maybe in the past, maybe you were from Fort McPherson, for example, just to pick a place, and you were in social housing. You had arrears but you moved to the city and you got an apartment in Urbco, like I said. But Urbco has now kicked you out, like I said, and you can't go to social housing and you can't qualify. Would the Minister look into making this policy fair and not discriminatory? This way, we will be able to get arrears back if we get people into housing they can afford and into a stable environment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The policy, as it sits, has been worked on for a number of years. It is clear and we have arrangements for people who have arrears to work them off. Again, if you move from Fort McPherson with the arrears and went to Yellowknife, got into the private housing market and then tried to get into social housing; sorry, you can't skip that queue. You still have the arrears in Fort McPherson that you have to pay off before you can get back into public housing. So if the Member can understand the notion that if you have arrears with one authority, we can't just skip the queue and move to another community and figure we are going to write off those arrears. We don't do that. But we do have a policy that allows the system for people to pay off those arrears, work their way back into public housing so that they can get on the list and get back into public housing. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
Question 548-15(3): Qualifications For Public Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you. I hope my answers aren't like the ones that have been given to my colleague. Mr. Speaker, if I may, maybe I can kill two birds with one stone. My question is going to be for the Minister of Justice, who is also the Minister of Education. Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I talked about crack cocaine and the programs that are being provided here in Yellowknife, which is called the Drug Abuse Resistance Education program. My question to the Minister is, in the larger centres, they have programs like DARE, like in Yellowknife. Could I ask the Minister, in the smaller communities, what is the RCMP doing in terms of this type of program that is being offered in Yellowknife, in the smaller communities such as Gameti, Wekweti or Wha Ti? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. The honourable Minister of Justice, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The formal program DARE isn't offered in the smallest communities. The resources aren't there to do it, but, when the RCMP visits schools, and they often visit schools on community visits, they take the opportunity to talk to young people about making the right choices. That is certainly something that comes up. It is not a formal program, but it is something that is discussed. The other thing is that the school curriculum itself includes dealing with making the right choices starting as early as kindergarten. Kindergarten and Grade 1 is entirely focused on just that: making healthy choices. In grades 2 to 9, it gets stronger in the message. That is also where young people are exposed to the dangers of drugs. Thank you.

Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.

Supplementary To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that they don't offer the DARE program in the smaller communities, but a similar program or when the RCMP are visiting the smaller communities, they do, occasionally, as he said, visit the schools to talk in general about drugs. But, Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if the

RCMP would make this into a regular program and go into the various schools on a scheduled basis, so that the students at the various schools could really understand the ugly reality of drugs in general. I wonder if the Minister would undertake to see if these kind of scheduled RCMP visits to schools could happen within the smaller communities. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government is really interested in making sure that kids are well educated in how to make healthy choices. If the Members will remember, earlier this week the Minister of MACA, along with the Minister of Health and Social Services and myself kicked off the program just about healthy choices. We will certainly continue to enforce the need for more education and active living. The Member has raised a good point. Certainly, in my meeting with the chief superintendent in a couple of weeks, I will raise the issue with him and see if there isn't some way that we can expand the formal program DARE to more locales across the Northwest Territories.

Further Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.

Supplementary To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason why I am questioning the Minister and requesting this type of service for the small communities is that I don't believe that the good work that the RCMP is doing is not what the Minister is indicating. I believe that the smaller communities may be occasionally visited by the RCMP, but not on a regular basis. They don't thoroughly talk specifically about this problem we have with drugs. That is real. I would like to ask the Minister if he can provide for me, my riding and maybe other smaller communities also, statistics in regard to how many times the police have gone into our small schools to talk about drugs. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can certainly provide the Member with a listing of recent visits to communities. I will endeavour to ask the RCMP for the numbers of times that they have been into the schools for conversation. I expect that every time they are in a school that is one of the issues that they address. I think it is important to remember, as I said, that we have other initiatives. We have the Esteem Team that goes around to talk to kids about the issues like this and making healthy choices. This government isn't taking just one approach; we are taking a number of approaches. But in answer to the Member's question, yes, I will work with the RCMP to deliver that information.

Further Return To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe.

Supplementary To Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Question 549-15(3): Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

March 3rd, 2005

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to get a commitment from the Minister if he could, after he talks with the RCMP officials, implement my request as soon as possible. Thank you.