Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Bell.

Mr. Chair, I think the important thing to note here is that NTCL, Aurora Village, Aurora World, Watta Lake Lodge, Mackay Lake Lodge, and Arctic Chalet, these are businesses that have a lot of history here. They will be here in the next government. The Premier's role is to open doors for these businesses and no slight to Mr. Handley, but what is more important is that it is the office of the Premier. That is the compelling issue here, not the person who is in that role. We have the ability to use our Premier and his office to open some very important doors. It can open up new markets to these businesses. We don't think that we can wait. We know that this winter, it is no secret, is going to be very difficult for our aurora tourism industry. They are under immense pressure. I don't think we have time to wait to start to look to diversify markets. So there will be follow-up and follow through. The next Premier and the next government hopefully will acknowledge and recognize that this is a priority. But more important than who is going is the fact that the office of the Premier is going to open doors for these businesses. I know they are very appreciative of that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Following along the lines of my colleague, Mr. Ramsay, with respect to the PeopleSoft fiasco, is what I would like to call it just because of all the problems we have had with it and all the money that we have spent, and a system that is still not up and running today, as we speak, properly when you take the leave component module out of it. That is still a deficiency of some fair significance. When I questioned Minister Dent earlier in this sitting in question period about if we would do a report on what has happened so that we would have a sense, as my colleague Mr. Ramsay said, of how we could avoid this, where we went wrong, if there were any liabilities, if there was any blame that needs to be assigned on this, it is just good to know these things. Anyway, Mr. Dent, in response to that, suggested that a report might be a good idea, but he didn't say there was a report, and now Mr. Roland has just said we have gone out to the Audit Bureau. So I don't know what to think now. I didn't get the sense from Mr. Dent's answer that there was a report. Now the Minister says we have gone out to the Audit Bureau. What is the status of a report? What is the status of the involvement of the Audit Bureau? Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I should clarify in response that FMBS has done a report but not on the latest change from 8.3 to 8.9. I believe it was done in 2000, but Mr. Cleveland can give details as to the work that was done. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Cleveland.

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So when Mr. Roland just made specific reference to go into the Audit Bureau, then I am to understand that nothing has transpired since 2000 involving the Audit Bureau in a report to look at the issue of a human resource management software. That is my question. Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I would have to go back to see if I had actually mentioned the Audit Bureau as being the one, but what we have done, as Mr. Cleveland has stated, is the initial look at implementation done in 2000. But while the systems were still within FMBS before we created or just shortly after creating the Department of Human Resources, there was another activity looked at. We hired an outside group to review the work that was being done and how we were using the PeopleSoft system and how we continue to use our processes. That was done by the Hackett Group. It was mentioned here in this House actually in a similar scenario in a supplementary appropriation of the money that was requested to have them do the review and the functions we were using and not using and the recommendations made on that basis as we proceeded forward. That is the process going from 8.3 to 8.9 as we are now in process. I have been informed that all modules are working except for the absence management module, which is a new module that wasn't being used previously. There were a number of them that were not being used. As I stated earlier, when the government had used it in a customized manner, there were a lot of pieces that were not being used. Instead, we continued to use our paper transaction style of doing business. When reviewing this, the question was why did we continue to do these transactions the old way when the program itself is actually built to do these things? When we looked at that, as well as the fact that we had to go from 8.3 to 8.9, a number of versions upgrade, we had to decide that we needed to go with the vanilla version, as termed, or the pure form of PeopleSoft 8.9. I don't know if Mr. Dent may have further information to this, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Dent.

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. What I am hearing both Minister Roland and Minister Dent telling us is that there is no report except for the Hackett report which was done in 2005 with respect to the implementation of this new software. There has been no report by the Audit Bureau that would speak to things like the confidentiality breach or things like the protocol that should have been followed by the government when they were implementing these changes to the software. There was no report that talked about that protocol that wasn't followed before some of these pieces went live, so to speak. I just want to hear the Minister say that there is no report like that, because I have been told there is. Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, as stated by Mr. Cleveland, in 2000 there was a post-implementation report done and 2005, after a number of issues that occurred, some of it not related to the program itself but to the equipment. In 2005, backup equipment and so on and realizing this fact that we're not going to be able to continue to use the 8.3 version, that we would have to upgrade to the 8.9 version. We had that looked at by the Hackett Group to see what was being done and our processes and how that would best fit with going to the newer version. As a result of some of the incidents that occurred that the Members raised, there wasn't any report done. The specific incident of the information that was out there as to a number of the problems that occurred, was looked at, not a report on the whole system but specific to that piece was done. Well, it was looked at. I don't believe the Minister himself has that, but I know we looked at that, but we haven't done a full implementation package. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Oh my goodness. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now if that was not the most difficult thing to understand, that might win an award. Okay, so back to my question. Maybe I'm not calling it the right thing, but with respect to the recent difficulty that everybody is aware of, hello out there in the public service, everybody knows what I'm talking about, the implementation of the upgrade and the changes and the patches and things that were all done pre and post this thing going live and there being problems with it, and the denial by the Minister in this House that there had been a breech of confidential information. There was a report done on this. If there's a report, I want to know where is the report? You said it is done, but the Minister doesn't have a copy of it. Does anybody know what I'm talking about here? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there was not a full report, as the Member stated, about all of the factors and it doesn't go into the fact that the Member has raised about the Minister said no, there was no breech. There was a specific case looked at, but as a department we would look at doing a full review of the conversion back to 8.9 and implementation. Once it's complete we would look at doing that. The specific issue itself, the Minister hasn't been given a copy of the specific incident. That hasn't been supplied to myself as Minister. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Next I have Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to ask the Minister on the Health and Social Services operations expenditures specific to the $150,000 that's going to the Nurse Practitioner Program in terms of this funding that we receive from the federal government on these patient wait time guarantees in terms of how is this going to help people in our regions and our small communities in terms of this specific initiative? Thank you, Mr. Chair.