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Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Is it agreed the Minister bring in witnesses? Agreed?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Honourable Members

Agreed.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Sergeant-at-Arms, escort the witnesses in. For the record, Mr. Speaker, can you introduce your witnesses.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. With me today I have, to my left, Olin Lovely, director of corporate services; and to my right, Mr. Tim Mercer, Clerk of the Assembly.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome, witnesses. I’ll allow for general comments. General comments? Detail?

With that, we can move to page 1-7, Legislative Assembly, Department Summary: $15.364 million, which we will defer until the end of our discussions.

Moving on to 1-8, Legislative Assembly, information items, Active Positions — By Region.

Legislative Assembly, Department Summary,

Active Positions — By Region, information item, approved.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Information item, page 1-9, Active Positions, Community Allocations.

Legislative Assembly, Department Summary,

Active Positions — Community Allocations, information item, approved.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Page 1-10, Revenue Summary, information item. Mr. Abernethy.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I’m just curious what “Gain on Investments” is. I see in 2006–2007 it’s $1.971 million, but then in ’07–08 and ’08–09 it completely disappears. Why is there nothing budgeted for ’08–09? If someone could help me understand what that is, that would be great.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Speaker.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The gain on investments is related to the investment portfolio in the Supplementary Retiring Allowances Fund. It’s calculated as the difference between the value of assets of the fund on March 31, 2006, and at March 31, 2007. It’s totally due to investment performance.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Why is it zero on ’08–09?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

June 15th, 2008

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

We have not got the numbers for the performance of the fund to put in for ’08–09 yet, so we’re depending on past years.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Page 1-10, Revenue Summary, information item.

Legislative Assembly, Department Summary,

Revenue Summary, information item, approved.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Page 1-13, Activity Summary, Office of the Clerk, Operations Expenditure Summary: $7.826 million. Mr. Bromley.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I note that our utilities are steadily increasing. I’m concerned that the price of oil has gone up over 60 per cent since I became an MLA eight months ago; that we are heating this building on the basis of oil; that there is proven technology, in town and operating right now, for much less money; that there’s a proven source of fuel such as pellets available for long-term contracts — very cheap. In fact, the cost of the pellets are going down.

I have to admit to a conflict of interest, because I’m a carbon-neutral MLA, which means I have to offset the costs of fossil fuels used to heat my office and that of my constituency assistant. I’m partly speaking up on my own behalf to cut those costs down, but I’m talking full costs here, both the environmental and the monetary costs.

I know it’s been brought up, but I don’t know that I’m seeing the rigour and the commitment I’d like to here.

My question to the Speaker: is there a chance this could be aggressively pursued, and we could get off fossil fuel heat and onto biomass for this building?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Speaker.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

That is an issue we have been dealing with for some time now: trying to reduce the energy costs for the Assembly and keeping in mind, as well, the environment.

We have introduced some initiatives here to cut down on costs, such as lighting. Specifically to the fuel, there has been a proposal put forward for pellet heat for the building. We are looking into some of the costs involved in that, and not only that but location for the ability to put in a hopper that would serve that type of system. It’s actively being looked at to try and come up with some costs and to find where we would put the equipment to handle that. It is one we’re very interested in doing, and we’re pursuing it as we speak, actually.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Great. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I think it would be great, as leaders for the territory, to be able to point the finger at ourselves as leading in all ways. Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We’re on page 1-13. Mr. Hawkins.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I like to consistently bring this up each year: it’s the matter of the parking in the Legislative Assembly and the grounds for persons in the public and the accessibility that creates.

I know it’s been looked at and considered in previous years. There even was money budgeted in past years. I was wondering if I could have an update on that situation.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Speaker.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Yes, this issue has been brought up a number of times, and it’s one we continue to struggle with.

There had been a proposal a few years ago to put in an extra 21 parking stalls out front. We had budgeted approximately $140,000 to do that. When we got an estimate to do those parking stalls, it was considerably higher than that, plus the fact that it was late in the fall when the bids came in.

At the same time, there was talk about a courthouse building being built on the precinct here. We wanted to make sure, when we did it, that it was going to be compatible with whatever was happening at the courthouse, so we delayed doing it.

However, we’re at a point now where we have to look at that situation again. We know the roadway out front and parking, as well, are problems for us. We manage to keep security out front to try to control vehicles when there’s an event going on here, but it’s a constant struggle for us. That is something I’m quite sure Members can expect to see coming forward in the business plans this fall — something we’re going to have to do to address our parking and roadway out front.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the answer from the Speaker on that. The money that was allocated to it in previous years allowed the Speaker’s Office to go out for tender on this project. Has that money lapsed or been set aside for later use?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

It was money we were going to use from within anyway, and that money has lapsed. We do have a fund of $75,000 that we use for minor repairs out front just to try to keep up with the situation of our roadway and parking lot. Quite obviously, we’re going to have to get approval for a bigger expenditure if we want to do it half-decently out there.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Legislative Assembly
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Chairman, has the Speaker’s Office, vis-à-vis through the board, ever considered widening the loop on the roadway? You could be seen as updating the road to somewhat better conditions. Furthermore, we could widen it for safety reasons, and that could help facilitate parking around the loop on one side when we do have these occasional big bursts of capacity being overtaken during special events here. Has that ever been considered or seriously examined? We could help avoid maybe blasting more rocks or carving into some other area, which seems a little unfeasible at this time.