This is page numbers 4411 - 4462 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was project.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Russ Neudorf

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We can certainly look at that, but anything that the government provides to the project now it’s going to be in addition to the budgets that are here. So it will be government paying one way or the other. Just in terms of since the signing of the Concession Agreement and our expenditures, direct expenditures are about one-quarter of a million dollars or so and it was for some additional analysis that had to be done.

One of our biggest expenditures was actually the design review. So the GNWT hired the territorial advisors that actually undertook the design review. Those were, or have been, paid for by the project and then it’s just some GNWT staff time that’s being incurred as a result of that. We’ve had to hire one extra person additionally. We’re funding that from within and then it’s added to the workload of various other people in DOT that are noted on the chart there. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

I think the deputy minister makes a good argument, then, for charging all that time back to the project. The deputy minister himself... I know the Department of Transportation is busy with many other things that they’re doing and I know the deputy minister is committed to seeing this project through to conclusion; he spends a lot of time on that project, the Deh Cho Bridge Project. The deputy minister should be charging his time back to that project, Mr. Chairman, so we can at least get that back down the road and I’d like to see us make the effort at least to do that.

One other thing, Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to ask if any other contracts are required on the Deh Cho Bridge, whether the government would commit to at least going out to tender on any other work that’s required? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Minister Michael McLeod.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Yes, we could commit to that. That’s always our intention, is whenever the ability and the time allows for public tendering of any types of contracts, that we use that method and that’s something we’ll certainly commit to doing.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

I heard that, but I didn’t hear the commitment to make the effort to charge every hour that our departmental staff has spent on the Deh Cho Bridge Project to the Deh Cho Bridge Project so that we can recoup that money. I didn’t hear a commitment to do that. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, I’m not quite ready to do so. I would have to look at the impact of charging back to this project and whether that’s something we’d have to incorporate to all our projects. Right now we don’t charge back our time for any project across the Territories. That’s something I could have a discussion with my Cabinet colleagues. We certainly could calculate the amount of time that our staff has spent, any costs incurred by our department, but I’m very reluctant to say we’re going to charge it back. It may have a further bearing impact that we anticipate at this point. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Nothing further, Mr. Ramsay? Moving on. Mr. Hawkins.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m certainly supportive of the bridge and I see this as a 9 percent overrun and we need to address that sort of in the public context, which is going through and I can understand that. Anybody who has any experience with any works projects understand overruns, as unfortunate as it is, it is certainly not uncommon, especially in a public context.

I’m wondering if the Minister of Finance would be opposed to a suggestion of quarterly updates to the Priorities and Planning committee. Would he have any thought on that, because that’s really, from my constituent point of view, that’s one of the big fundamentals, is keeping a close eye on the project. I know the Minister can only do his sort of fullness and timed responses, you know, is the best we can do sort of context of will this project be managed well, of course it will, you know, those types of statements. But the fear from a Regular Member point of view on my particular position is what do we do to make sure the project stays on the rails. So how would the Minister feel about quarterly updates to the Priorities and Planning committee meeting to make sure that the detail of the finances are kept up regularly to Regular Members through the Priorities and Planning? Would he be opposed to that? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins, and I think that was something where a

commitment was already made, but, Minister Miltenberger.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, we would not be opposed to that.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

In that particular case, the Minister probably wouldn’t be opposed to a motion to that effect. I mean, ultimately constituents of mine are more concerned about making sure the project gets done and that it stays on the rails, as well as the fact this timely information becomes the biggest issue. So, Mr. Chairman, with that I’d probably like to move a motion and shall I read it right into the record now?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Go ahead, Mr. Hawkins.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee strongly recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories provide quarterly updates on the status of the Deh Cho Bridge to the Priorities and Planning committee starting in May 2010. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The motion is in order and being distributed. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Question is being called.

---Carried

Order, committee. We’re on page 6, Transportation, operations expenditures, highways, not previously authorized, $15.9 million. Agreed?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Transportation, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $15.9 million. Agreed?

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, committee. Page 7, Supplementary Appropriation No. 4. Ms. Bisaro.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My apologies for missing the page earlier, but I’d like to ask the same question I asked earlier with regard to the planning study for owned versus leased office space in Yellowknife. I do agree that the study needs to be done. My question basically has to do with why this particular expense is so urgent that it needs to be included in a supplementary

appropriation, why it can’t wait until our next infrastructure budget. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Minister Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The big issue is of timing. Otherwise, if we wait until next fall we will have lost a valuable six months and we only have, I think, 19 months left in our term. Our hope is to advance this and to get it on the work being done as quickly as possible, given the projected savings of possibly up to $100 million and our concern about being fiscally responsible. Thank you.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I’m not totally sure I follow the timing. I think I’m hearing the Minister say that the planning needs to be done now so the construction budget can be included in the next infrastructure budget. If I could have that clarified, please.

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. I’d like to call on the Minister of Finance, Minister Miltenberger.