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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Ms. Bisaro.

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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure to recognize a Page who has been working very hard for us all week. Ryan O'Brien is a Frame Lake resident. He goes to school here in Yellowknife at Sir John. Thank you to Ryan for his hard work and to all the Pages for the work that they've done for us.

On behalf of Mr. Bromley, I would like to recognize his constituency assistant who is a resident of Weledeh but he kind of forgot him. Mr. Craig Yeo, welcome.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Nadli.

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Michael Nadli

Michael Nadli Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Mr. Peter Redvers, who has been doing work with the community of Kakisa and also Ka'a'gee Tu First Nations.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli. Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize a Page that I have from the riding of Kam Lake, Ms. Caleigh Matheson. I also want to thank all the rest of the Pages for all the work that they've done for us over the entire session.

I'd also like to recognize Mr. Peter Redvers, a constituent of Kam Lake. Welcome to the House.

Also, the folks in the audience from HMCS Yellowknife. I was there in I believe it was 1996, when the ship was commissioned. Good to see you here. Pleasure for you to be here.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize a Page here who is from the Yellowknife Centre riding, Wendy Giang. She is a Sir John Student.

The other thing is, at the same time, I would like to recognize Mr. David Connelly, who has been a friend for many years. I appreciate his conviction and devotion he provides the HMCS Yellowknife. It's good work he does.

Finally, the same as Mr. Ramsay said, I'd like to thank all the Pages, those from Sir John, Colville Lake, and certainly PWK for their hardworking services here. I'm grateful for it and I certainly hope you enjoyed the time here.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. I'd like to welcome all visitors here in the public gallery. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings here today. Thank you for coming.

Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Yakeleya.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier of the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Premier some questions around the Norman Wells proven area. Specifically, I want to target on the resource revenue issue with the Government of Canada. I want to ask the Premier, in regard to this issue here, if the Government of Canada is holding firm on their stance that this area here is not a resource revenue sharing deal other than they have other interests, such as a commercial venture, and if there are any other type of discussions to see if they will move away from that definition.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had those discussions on several occasions with the Government of Canada, first and foremost during the development of the agreement-in-principle. We couldn't resolve it, so it was punted to the negotiations of the final agreement, so to speak. We made some progress by the fact that they have agreed that royalties will be paid on two-thirds of the Norman Wells interest. The Government of Canada remains steadfast, though, that their one-third share is ownership, it's a commercial interest and that it is not a royalty. On that basis they do not see fit to pay royalties on it, because they are very clear that it is not a royalty.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

I've done some of my own research and I found a very interesting document that in 1944, July 21st, Imperial Oil and the Government of Canada struck up a management/ownership type of deal with the Norman Wells oilfields and that they've been taking a cut in the share of that development fuel since then; even longer.

I want to ask if the Government of Canada is changing the rules as time goes on and because they're so adamant not to release that definition under what is stated in the research I have that Norman Wells is looked at resource revenue rather than the ownership. Is the Minister looking to see if there are some other leverages that we can use, for example, if Canada is willing to sell their share of the Norman Wells oilfield?

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

As part of the negotiations process, we were able to limit the extent of the Norman Wells oilfield so that for a period of time they were looking at all of the Norman Wells area that would be covered. We were able to limit it just to the existing oilfield from Norman Wells. We also discussed, and the Prime Minister mentioned it in his response to a question, that from time to time the Government of Canada sells off assets of commercial interest and if it does happen, then there might be a possibility there for royalties.

I should point out that in the ‘80s, or when the Gwich'in and the Sahtu took the Government of Canada to court for unpaid royalties, there was an out-of-court settlement whereby both the Gwich'in and the Sahtu signed an agreement that the Norman Wells payments were not royalties, in order to receive compensation in an out-of-court settlement.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

We're looking at the bigger issue with the Norman Wells royalty regime. I want to ask the Premier, because of the interest now in the Norman Wells area, and not just the Norman Wells proven area, does the Premier see the Husky, the Conoco, the Shell type of structure that could possibly see the federal government looking elsewhere outside Norman Wells to say there's not millions but there's billions to be had. Is that something that we have positioned ourselves so that they keep their hands out of our pockets?

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

We believe we have been able to successfully negotiate that, but recognizing that that field is still being proven. It's still in the exploration stage but the potential is unlimited. I think there's tremendous potential in the Sahtu and we'll see it come to pass.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say, because, again, in my research, there were regulations, a management regime, and in the time when they were making the deal, Aboriginal people didn't even have the right to vote in Canada. These were all being done on Aboriginal lands that we're supposed to have a treaty. Now we're taking over devolution, and part of taking over devolution is the 24 acts, regulations and legislation that we're going to take over. One of them is the Canadian Petroleum Act, I think, and I want to make sure that we are set and the federal government is not going to interfere with our type of resource revenue sharing that we need in the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Premier, will his department look at some of these things that ensure that the federal government does not poke its hands in areas that it shouldn't be.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

We definitely want to make sure that is the case. That's why the legal and technical review of the final agreement that we're doing right now is so important, because we want to make sure that doesn't happen.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Blake.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I was asking questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on training for the Inuvik-Tuk highway. I guess you could say I was putting the cart before the horse, but now that we have made decisions on the Inuvik-Tuk highway, I'd like to ask the Minister again, is the department making any plans for training in the Beaufort-Delta starting this spring.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. That is a great question. This is an area that we are preparing. I just met with the standing committee this morning, just preparing for whether it be the Deh Cho, Sahtu and Beaufort-Delta, there is so much activity that will be happening in that area. We need to plan now. I've instructed my department and also my senior staff that we need to develop, if there is a committee in place already, what are the training needs and the requirements at the community level and let's focus on those are let's have a meeting immediately. We're forming a steering committee to deal with those matters, especially the Beaufort-Delta now that we just approved infrastructure. We're going forward on that and we are full force following through with that.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

It's projected that we'll provide 400 jobs on the Inuvik to Tuk highway. There is a lot of training that needs to be done. A lot of our workers right now are actually travelling to the Sahtu for all the work that's happening there. There is a lot that we need to do in the communities. Will the Minister use the facilities and the capacity in the communities to provide the training, whether it's Class 1 and Class 3 and heavy equipment operating?

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Those are the areas that we need to discuss with the group, and when I mention the group, that's the community representatives, the industry representatives. They are the experts that will provide the community-based needs, the human resources. We do have community learning centres. We have the colleges. Colleges are part of the process, as well, and the Mine Training Society, if they happen to be part of the process. I think they should be part of the process, and other industries and organizations that are part of the group. We're going to have a dynamic discussion identifying short-term, mid-term and also long-range plans on the training needs. My Department of Education, Culture and Employment at the regional level will be actively involved.