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Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

We’ll return to page 6-7, department summary, operations expenditure summary, $99.451 million.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Does committee agree that we’ve considered the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and is completed?

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister. Thank you, witnesses. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses out of the Chamber.

Does committee agree we will continue on with the Department of Lands, the new Department of Lands?

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

I will ask the Minister if he has opening comments. Minister McLeod.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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March 2nd, 2014

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, I do, Mr. Chair and I will read them as soon as I find them.

---Laughter

I am pleased to present the Department of Lands’ first operations expenditure budget, totaling $26.830 million for 2014-15. This includes funding for compensation and benefits of $17.737 million for 143 positions, with 51 of those positions in regional centres, funding for contributions of $680,000, and other expenses of $8.207 million.

The department will be responsible for the management and administration of both Commissioner’s lands and Territorial lands, under the Commissioner’s Lands Act and the Territorial Lands Act, respectively.

Responsibilities devolved from the federal government include: being the lead Minister responsible for project assessments; land use planning, including regional land use plans and land use permitting; providing advice to the land and water boards for setting of securities; and leading compliance, enforcement and inspection functions for land use authorizations.

The GNWT is only one partner in an integrated land management system. Land management decision-making must recognize and respect Aboriginal and treaty rights as well as third-party land interests and legal rights. We plan to work with our stakeholders, along with the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure, in developing policies that meet the needs of all Northerners.

As mentioned, this budget includes contribution funding totaling $680,000: $100,000 for Aboriginal groups for consultation in support of decisions on disposition of lands; $400,000 for Aboriginal groups in the South Slave and North Slave in support of land use planning processes; and $180,000 in support of other land use management planning processes.

The operations budget also includes $950,000 to carry out an aggressive inspection process; $250,000 of this will be dedicated to inspections at the diamond mines alone.

In these final weeks to April 1st , our implementation

team and the Informatics Shared Service Centre will continue to work with other departments on early training opportunities to prepare and better equip transferring and new employees. Knowledge transfer and training for both current GNWT employees and new AANDC employees joining the GNWT is a vital component of our transition planning.

We have made progress since the committee meetings in November, but there is still much work ahead in building a cohesive department. We have the basic outline and will be working hard between now and April 1st to hit the ground running. As I

previously said to the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure, I fully expect there will be challenges as we go forward. The Land Use Sustainability Framework will form the overarching policy framework for the department and will be supplemented by the existing policies from the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. In future, any amendments will be done in consultation with our stakeholders and committee to address land issues. But these processes will take time to do

properly and I am committed to engaging with committee and Members on a regular basis as we go forward over the next few years. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Do you have witnesses you wish to bring into the House?

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I do, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Committee agree?

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, committee. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses into the Chamber.

Minister McLeod, I will ask you to introduce your witnesses, for the record.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have to my left Mr. Mark Warren, deputy minister-designate for the Department of Lands effective April 1st ; and to my right I have Brenda Hilderman,

director of finance and admin with the new Department of Lands. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Minister. We will open the floor to comments on the new Department of Lands. General comments. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’m just wondering: what will the Minister’s role be in environmental assessment processes? I understand other departments of our government will be reporting to this Minister. Could I get a description? My understanding of the current process at the federal level, we’re taking over. Do the departments speak with their own voice into the process but we are proposing that you – this is my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong – will require that departments report to you. To me, this is removing an important series of voices from the process, but perhaps I could get the Minister’s corrections and perspectives on this. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister McLeod.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My understanding – and I might have Mark correct me if I’m wrong – is we will coordinate responses and we will be part of a working group with the other Ministers and the input. I think that’s as far as our responsibility goes. We’ll be doing some of the coordinating work and then all Ministers will have their input into the process. That’s as far as we’re at right now. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Everything is in the definitions, of course, so I guess I would ask, what does coordination mean to the Minister. Does that mean he will just make sure the formatting is

the same and that the departments’ voice will be clearly heard and they will be contributing directly into the decision-making? Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Deputy Minister Warren.

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Warren

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The responsibility for the Department of Lands will be to coordinate the collection of all the different impacts associated with any given project, whether they are social impacts, economic impacts or environmental impacts. But it is pulling the information together to help the responsible Ministers make a decision, but Ministers will act in their own areas independently. The issuing of a land use permit would be of the purview of our Minister, to do the issuing of a water licence would be under the Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources, but we would help collect all of the information to help him make those decisions.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks for that information. As I understand it, the Minister will be the decision-maker, except that there might be some sharing of that with a federal Minister. Could I get some fleshing out of that understanding and clarification? Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Warren

No, the Minister isn’t, it depends on what we are talking about, but if we are talking about the issuance of a land use permit in the Inuvialuit Settlement Region, then the Minister of Lands would be the final decision-maker on the issuance of that land use permit. If we are talking about the issuance of a water licence, the Minister of ENR would be the decision-maker, but if we are talking about the issuance of a land use permit in the Mackenzie Valley, that is the purview of the boards that are responsible for that. They are the ones that would be, on the advice of the responsible Ministers, issuing those land use permits in the Mackenzie Valley. It depends on where you are operating and which particular authorization is being sought.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, thanks for that information. What will be the participation of the federal Ministers in this decision-making?