This is page numbers 3475 – 3500 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was positions.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I understand it, Bill 4, of course, is before the House and that’s the Health Information Act. What happens, as I’m learning a little more about this, actually it harkens to a question asked to me by a constituent who wanted to know more about electronic health records and how they’re managed from, say, a personal medical record position or perspective.

In the Northwest Territories, if I understand it correctly, we use a program called Wolf. So my question to the Minister of Health and Social Services is: How do we monitor access to this program to know that if you have technical access to the programming, how do we know the appropriate people are only using these files, and what protocols do we have in place to monitor these particular items? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Abernethy.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Around the EMR we actually have a significant number of firewalls and protocols in place to ensure that only people who have access or need to see that information have access to that information. I do know that there are lots of different technical requirements that an individual has to

meet in order to get in: passwords, fobs and other items so that the information remains secure and private only to those individuals who need access or have the right to access that information. Thank you.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I’ve heard about a complaint that was only observed after the complainant brought it to the attention of Health and Social Services. So I guess what my question would be is: What protocols are in place to ensure that this is being done and monitored without someone having to figure out that their personal files were violated? Thank you.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you. The Member hasn’t shared with me any information on an individual whose rights or information has been violated. I’d certainly like to hear that. We take these types of situations, if they occur, very, very seriously and we’d like to address them, but there are protocols in place to ensure that the information is secure with those protocols. Certainly, we can review them if there’s been an incident and I’d be happy to hear about the incident if the Member would be willing to share it with me. Thank you.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

My question was what automatic protocols do we have in place that will inform the system that this violation has taken, or in some cases happened. So I guess without having it to be brought forward by the person who has been… I’ll say potentially their private information has been violated. So that’s the question, not can I sit down with the Minister to talk about this. Thank you.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you. There’s a significant amount of triggers and safeguards, and I’d be happy to share some of the written protocols with the Member if that’s what he’s looking for. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are there any automatic protocols that brings to the attention of any type of management authority process that informs people that the wrong folks are viewing personal medical files without people having to wait down the road when they realize their personal information has been violated and the only reason the system knows is because they found out about it by accident? Thank you.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you. I haven’t currently or actually haven’t personally used the system, but I will talk to the department and get that additional information provided to the Member. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy. The Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m really looking forward to seeing the breakdown of those 571 vacant positions, where they are located, whether that would be in the regions or in the headquarters.

The Minister of Finance indicates that they are actively seeking to recruit candidates for those 571 positions; however, on the GNWT website right now there are 126 jobs advertised. Of these, five are short-term, 10 are terms, and so that amounts to 126 versus 570-something.

I’d like to ask, where are the other 400 jobs being advertised? Are they on some other website? Are they being recruited by boards and agencies? How would a person know?

The government says that they have these vacant positions. It leads one to wonder what happens to all the money that we vote to those departments for those positions if there’s nobody in them. It rather begs the questions, and now we see evidence that the government is not even trying to recruit for them, unless it’s somewhere else that we just can’t find. Hey, we’re MLAs. If we can’t find them how can the public find them?

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Premier, Mr. McLeod.

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member wants a response to her question, I will direct it to the correct Minister to answer the question.

The easy way to reduce the 800 positions is to delete the positions that are no longer required, so that’s one way to delete them, but in order to get accurate information, I will direct the question to the Minister responsible for Human Resources.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Minister of Human Resources, Mr. Beaulieu.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. The department has developed a Workforce Planning Strategy across the territory that is designed to fill the positions. Currently, we are looking at each of the vacant positions and why the positions are vacant. Many of them are at the community level, and many times we don’t have the infrastructure to fill those positions, so we are examining an example that I brought forward earlier with the regional recruitment where we might be able to fill the position with an individual that would need approximately one year’s worth of trainings using 20 percent of that individual’s salary to train that individual up to meet the requirements of the position.

Right now, of the 571 positions, 328 of those positions require a university degree, so just that alone can be an issue because most of the people

that live in the Northwest Territories that have university degrees, in fact 97 percent of the people in the Northwest Territories that have university degrees already have jobs, so when you’re trying to fill positions that need university degrees then you have a very small pool to work with that creates one issue. In addition to that, 270 of those positions are located in the regions and the communities and not having the proper infrastructure to attract individuals, such as housing and office space is also an issue.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

I find the Premier’s comment extremely unusual. I was asking about how we can fill the positions. I wasn’t suggesting we should delete the positions, and I don’t know where that came from. If we can’t fill them, well, we’ll just delete them. I mean, I didn’t ask anybody to delete positions, especially not since so many of them are actually located in our regions.

We’re all about decentralization on this side of the House, and we think you are over there, too, so I don’t know what deleting positions has to do with anything. However, if we are actively seeking to fill 571 positions in the Government of the Northwest Territories, I’d like to ask the Minister of Human Resources, as the appropriate Minister, where are we putting that information out? Are we just letting them sit there and we’re not recruiting because we don’t have jobs or we think there are no people out there with university educations? I’d like to know, where are we putting this information for the public?

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Recently, the department has done surveys to determine what the best method was to attract people to the public service, by asking individuals that have come to work for the government how they got their information to come to the government. Only 2 percent of the individuals that came to work for the government had indicated that they had found their position advertised in the paper, so we are doing e-recruit.

A lot of our strategies now have been to do e-recruitment right across the Territories and in the communities. These positions will appear on the website and what we are doing is asking individuals to submit their resumes to the government electronically and we’re putting them into the system and we’re trying to match the positions, the individuals with their skills with the positions that are available.

We recognize that there is certainly a difference there. As I indicated earlier, many require a university degree. Many of the people that are looking for positions that aren’t employed don’t have the necessary skills, so now we’re trying to indicate individuals that are close enough to be able to meet the requirements and try to give them those requirements by training them for a year, using their own salary as training money. Thank you.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Human Resources, this shortfall of 500 and, well, actually 800 positions, but 571 that we are actively trying to recruit, how long has that situation existed? Is this a new trend? Is this something new or is this something that has been on the books and unfilled positions for quite some time now? Thank you.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, at any one given time the Government of the Northwest Territories carries a vacancy of around 10 percent and this is fairly standard, 10 percent of the entire public service. The positions do fluctuate. The various departments have about 1,500 staffing actions per year. So between all of the departments, there is always various staffing actions, so this is a shot that has been fairly consistent throughout the government but it’s like one shot. Almost immediately as this information comes forward it is out of date, but we have to at some point take a spot and say this has been relatively average, so this is the number we’re using. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I well understand the concept of people coming and going, there being job actions and positions being filled and positions being vacated. I understand that. Ten percent of the public service at any given time, the Minister used an interesting word when he said we “carry” about 10 percent vacancy in the public service. That makes it sound like that is kind of an acceptable thing to carry from one year to another, from one budget to another.

I would like to ask the Minister, is there an attempt, a serious attempt to fill this 10 percent, or is that carrying of those… Does that grant some serious financial leeway in these departments if those positions are not filled? Thank you.

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

As the Member can appreciate, this is a very complex issue. She indicated that earlier on. As Minister of Human Resources, I am prepared to give a detailed briefing on the positions, why some of the positions are vacant, why we’re carrying vacant positions while those jobs are actually being done, but could be done in casual positions.

Some of these positions are vacant because individuals are assigned to other jobs, and some of these positions are vacant because individuals are on leave and so on, so there are various reasons why there is always a 10 percent vacancy, roughly a 10 percent vacancy. The best I can offer would be that I can bring the department to give a detailed briefing to committee, if that’s the wish of the House. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Time for oral questions has expired. Item 10, written questions. Item 11, returns to written questions. Item 12, replies to opening address. Item 13, replies to budget address. Item 14, petitions. Item 15, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 16, tabling of documents. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document, entitled “Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2014-2015.” Thank you.