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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First off, it’s often tradition that we thank the mover and the seconder. I think it certainly deserves that in these circumstances. How they came up with the idea of a lobbyist registry I don’t know, but I think it’s a good one and certainly one that deserves exploring.

Just because we wouldn’t use it often doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be important, and just because you wouldn’t use it often doesn’t mean it couldn’t have a large impact. We’ve often heard about how the influences of lobbyists play on big contracts getting opportunities that most folks don’t know. We don’t know if that’s the case here. I’m not implying that’s the case in any way. I’m just saying we have always heard about these things. You see the mess in the United States, Canada and across the world about what lobbyists can and cannot do and you wonder: Will the Northwest Territories ever come to a time where these are the types of problems we will have to face?

I do strongly believe there is a role for lobbyists in the world. Some organizations, both big and small, just don’t have the skills, abilities, time and knowledge of where to take your particular matter. Sometimes matters are so important they know that they’re not the right person to sell it. It’s an idea of importance, great importance, but it’s important that the idea gets out there and gets to the right doorsteps to be heard.

We’ve seen this building and we have to be honest with ourselves that we’ve seen people leave this building and have had unprecedented access with respect to bringing forward ideas and issues, Mr. Speaker. What influence have they had on the

results? We just don’t know and it would be difficult to characterize it other than a question.

Some people still play a role on the future of this government and the future, future governments. Where does that role start? Where does it end? It has been already said, and I fully agree, that transparency and fairness is really what this is all about. In my opinion, honestly, it doesn’t go far enough. I think every Member should be accountable to this particular principle, so I would say even MLAs. No one should be exempt from this. Would it be used often? That shouldn’t be the question. It should be about how it’s used.

I may never be lobbied by a paid lobbyist group but I would be more than willing to come clean if anyone ever asked me. To date, I have not been lobbied by a lobby group that I am aware of at least.

I would rightly put this on the shoulders of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner. Who better to understand these types of issues and conflicts than the present Conflict of Interest Commissioner?

For the facts, honesty, and let’s get this out there, Members cannot receive a gift more than $400 and we must report that. That’s the type of scrutiny that we’re presently under, but that doesn’t preclude how many times we have been invited to particular events to participate. That doesn’t include how many dinners have been bought. There are many gaps in the process of accountability. I believe one further step should be considered when I say things don’t go far enough.

While I welcome what the Premier said and like what he said about if anyone requests a copy of the Ministers’ calendars, it would be provided. I think he said no one, to date, has said that. That’s testament to people’s trust in the government, but at the same time I think sometimes people don’t know about their rights as well. We must find a balanced approach. When I say I don’t think it goes far enough, we should find a way to balance that with Ministers’ schedules and who they meet with to be publicized in a reasonable way; protecting those who are bringing forward proper issues, but recognizing what types of issues there are, how many times they are being brought forward by people and for what reason.

At the end of the day, I don’t know how many lobbyists there are in the Northwest Territories. The Premier has characterized it by saying the number could fit on one hand. I don’t know any of them personally, Mr. Speaker, and if I do they’ve never told me they are paid lobbyists.

I don’t know how many southern lobbyists come to the North to express their opinion and I’d be surprised, if not shocked, to find out if we had any at all.

At the end of the day, I support this initiative and I think it’s a great idea. Just because you don’t use it

often doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a pillar of the way we do business. We must be responsible in all accounts. This adds transparency and accountability. It’s not asking too much. In this world today, the public demands a higher level of scrutiny than they have ever before and that scrutiny and expectation of accountability will only grow every day going forward. So asking for this type of accountability I don’t think is asking too much. It’s being honest with our constituents on why we are doing particular business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. I will allow the mover of the motion to have closing remarks. Mr. Dolynny.

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank Mr. Nadli for seconding and allowing debate on this motion before the House. I would also like to thank my colleagues for their support and point of view, although I disagree. I don’t think we are making a mountain out of a molehill.

It has been some time since we have had a debate of this nature, so it’s refreshing to get back on the saddle. I would like to thank my colleagues.

There were some excellent points being brought forward during this debate. I hope these points provide the framework of investigation being asked. Again, this motion does not compel the legislation for a lobbyist registry but merely suggests the feasibility on the best way to implement this publicly, nothing more.

So, colleagues, when voting today I ask Members to show the people of the NWT we are truly an open and honest government. I know we can do that. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I seek a recorded vote. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. The Member is seeking a recorded vote. All those in favour, please stand.

Recorded Vote
Motions

February 18th, 2015

Tim Mercer Clerk Of The House

Mr. Dolynny, Mr. Bouchard, Mr. Nadli, Mr. Hawkins, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Moses, Mr. Bromley, Mr. Menicoche, Mr. Blake, Mrs. Groenewegen.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

All those opposed, please stand. All those abstaining, please stand.

Tim Mercer Clerk Of The House

Mr. Yakeleya, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Abernethy, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. McLeod – Yellowknife South, Mr. Lafferty, Mr. Ramsay, Mr. McLeod – Inuvik Twin Lakes.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

All those in favour, 10; all those opposed, zero; abstentions, eight. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 18, first reading of bills. Mr. Bromley.

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to return to item 6 on the Order Paper, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

---Unanimous consent granted

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

It has come to my attention that Weledeh resident Mr. Kevin Hynes is in the gallery today, president of the Yellowknife Association of Firefighters. I’d like to welcome him here.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Item 19, second reading of bills. Mr. Lafferty.

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Kam Lake, that Bill 45, An Act to Amend the Workers’ Compensation Act, be read for the second time.

This bill amends the Workers’ Compensation Act to replace the definition of listed disease in Section 14. (1) in order to add five additional forms of cancer and to clarify the French version.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Question has been called. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 45 has had second reading and is referred to standing committee.

Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 38, An Act to Amend the Jury Act; Bill 41, An Act to Amend the Partnership Act; Committee Report 10-17(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 2013-2014 Annual Report of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories; and Tabled Document 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016, with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order again today.

I’d like to ask, what is the wish of the committee? Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. We wish to continue with TD 188-17(5), Northwest Territories Main Estimates 2015-2016. We will continue with the Department of Health and Social Services and, time permitting, the Department of Transportation.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. We’ll commence with that after a brief break.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Minister Abernethy, if you’d be kind enough to introduce your witnesses back into the House.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On my left is Jeannie Mathison who is the director of finance and on my right is Debbie DeLancey who is the deputy minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Abernethy, Ms. DeLancey, Ms. Mathison. Again, welcome back to the House.

Committee, we last left this activity on page 203, community social programs, operations expenditure summary, $28.199 million. Does committee agree?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Mr. Hawkins.