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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to confirm there is a plan in place with this early learning funding. I can't share the full details until announcement has been signed with the Government of Canada. We are waiting for them to make that announcement. I will be more than happy and willing to sit down with committee and go through the details of the accessibility, the high quality of programs that are going to be earmarked with this $2 million for the 2017 year. As I mentioned in the House, I would be more than willing to come before committee and share the details of that plan. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Moses. Ms. Green.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I am not satisfied with that response. We have asked the Minister continuously over not just weeks, but months, to share the details of this plan with us in confidence as the Standing Committee on Social Development. He has consistently refused to do that, and that's in spite of the fact that the Regular Members have received details of other federal governments' funding prior to an announcement.

This is strictly a stalling tactic by the Minister to avoid any accountability on the way that he is envisioning to spend this money. From what the deputy minister of Finance has just told us, this in no way addresses availability and affordable of childcare. I am very disappointed, and there is no reason for us to be put in this position of approving money for which we have no plan. That's not a question. That's a rant. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister McLeod.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

That was a rant well taken. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you. Any further questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I, too, share the frustration of my colleague from Yellowknife Centre because I have sat in on some of the Standing Committee on Social Development meetings where childcare has been discussed. This agreement, the Minister has continually said, I can't share details with you, and then all of a sudden the first year funding pops up in a supplementary appropriation on the floor of the House. We are all big people in this room. You should be able to share confidential information with us. This is not a way to do business, so I don't appreciate the way that this has come up.

I do want to turn to a supplementary reserve for O and M. I would like to know what the impact of this supplementary appropriation is going to be on the overall reserve. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The items included in this appropriation will make that supplementary reserve be over by about $4.8 million for the year. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Presumably, this side of this reserve, now that it is in a deficit position, will be reconciled the same way as it is on the capital or infrastructure side where we wait for year-end, look at O and M spending within all the departments, and determine whether there is a surplus or a deficit. If there is a deficit, it is taken up as small, short-term debt. Is that the way that this would get reconciled? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, that is accurate. At the end of the year when we have both the operations and the capital spending, then we will know where our final cash position will end up and whether we need to add that onto the short-term debt. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the answer from the deputy minister. What is the reserve going to be for O and M for 2018-2019, and how does that compare with the reserve for 2017-2018? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister McLeod.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the supplementary reserve for next year will be $30 million, but we don't anticipate our ask coming forward to be as high as they this year because, with a lot of the health-related items in this supplementary, we are building them into the base so we will have that discussion during the main estimates and business plans for next year, but we do not anticipate unless there is something unforeseen. We don't anticipate the amount being as high next year. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Just so I can confirm, the supplementary reserve then for 2017-2018, I believe was set at $35 million; and for 2018-2019, it is being reduced to $20 million. Can I confirm that? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I don't have the main estimates document in front of me, but I believe those values that the Member quoted are correct. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair, and I appreciate the deputy minister's response. That is the information I've got in front of me. It looks like the reserve is going to be reduced by $15 million, but this supplementary appropriation is for over $20 million for our out-of-territory patients. It looks like we would still run, if everything else being equal, there would still be a $5 million deficit next year. How is the reduction in the reserve calculated to go down just $15 million rather than, say, $20? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Mr. Stewart.

Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The reserve value, the Member is correct, it is $20 million for 2018-2019. The investments that we have made in the base on some of these items that the Minister noted for Health and Social Services and other areas, we believe that that reserve amount will work, and that we will be able to stay within that amount. Obviously, there are other factors like fires and those sorts of things that we can never be too certain of, and so we will have to keep our eye on that and manage our resources carefully over 2018-2019 to make sure that we are able to meet the financial figures that are included in the main estimates. Thanks, Mr. Chair.