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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Technical Amendments

Committee received a submission from Mr. Sheldon Toner, Chair of the Human Rights Adjudication Panel, recommending technical amendments to Bill 30.

Subclause 12(2) of Bill 30 proposes a new subsection, 29(2.4), in the act. This new subsection provides that, in hearing an appeal of refusal to accept a complaint, the Human Rights Commission will adopt the adjudication panel's process with such modifications as the circumstances require. In the adjudication panel's submission, Mr. Toner argues that the proposed wording of this subclause is potentially confusing because it implies that the adjudication panel rather than the commission hears these appeals. He further suggests that the commission should be able to determine its own process rather than adopt that of the commission, which was established for a different purpose.

Committee agreed with this assessment and moved Motion 4 to amend the bill to specify that the commission will establish its own appeal process.

Subclauses 21(2) to (6) of Bill 30 deal with the matter of "carriage of complaints," which refers to who has procedural leadership for presenting evidence and arguments before the commission or the courts. The submission argues that the provisions giving the executive director carriage of complaints should appear in part 5 of the act, which is dedicated to commission hearings where carriage is exercised.

The committee again reviewed the human rights acts of other Canadian jurisdictions and learned that six of 11 human rights statutes contain provisions providing for carriage of complaints. In all of these instances, the provisions specifying carriage of complaints are set out in the part of each act dealing with parties to adjudication. This is consistent with the proposal contained in the submission from the Human Rights Adjudication Panel. For this reason, committee was persuaded that this change was appropriate and moved Motion 5 to amend subclauses 21(2) to (6) of the Bill 30. The amendments move the carriage of complaint provisions to section 53 of the act.
Further technical amendments were completed through Motion 3, which amends related references in the act, and Motion 8, which ensures the coming-into-force provisions of the act reflect this reorganization.

An additional unrelated technical amendment was made through Motion 2 to correct a drafting error in clause 9 the bill.

Evaluation Framework

Based on its reviews of the Human Rights Commission's annual reports, the committee believes the commission has undertaken a significant training directed at implementing a restorative approach in all of the work that it does. Committee is confident that this work will continue. Committee also has confidence that, to complement the extensive public relations materials it already produces, the commission will develop pamphlets and plan language materials to explain the changes to the act and the implementation of the restorative approach.

Committee supports the recommendation made by Alternatives North with respect to an evaluation framework and therefore makes the following recommendation.

Recommendation 1

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Human Rights Commission develop an evaluation framework for assessing the efficacy of moving to a restorative process, which includes in its methodology a gender-based analysis and an assessment of the impacts on Indigenous people.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations further recommends that the findings of this review be tabled in the Legislative Assembly in the first sitting following April 1, 2021, at which time the amendments to the Human Rights Act made by Bill 30 will be fully implemented.

Clause-by-Clause Review of the Bill

The clause-by-clause review of the Bill was held on March 7, 2019. At this review, the committee moved the following motions:

Motion 1

That clause 2 of Bill 30 be amended by deleting paragraph (a) and substituting the following: "(a) in the second recital, by adding "or expression, genetic characteristics" after "gender identity"; and"

This motion was carried. However, the Minister did not concur, so the motion did not amend the bill.

Motion 2

That clause 9 of Bill 30 be amended in proposed paragraph 23(1)(c) by striking out "or by the commission" and substituting "and by the commission."

The motion was carried, and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 3

That subclause 11(1) of Bill 30 be amended by deleting proposed paragraph 27(1)(e) and substituting the following: "(e) have carriage of complaints on behalf of the Commission in accordance with subsections 53(4) to (6);"

The motion was carried, and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 4

That subclause 12(2) of Bill 30 be amended by deleting proposed subclause 29(2.4) and substituting the following: "(2.4) The commission shall establish a process for conducting an appeal under subsection (2.3)."

The motion was carried and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 5

That Bill 30 be amended by (a) deleting subclause 21(2) and renumbering subclause 21(1) and clause 21; (b) and adding the following after subclause 23(2):

"(3) The following is added after subsection 53(3):

(4) The commission has carriage of a complaint before the adjudication panel.

(5) The commission may elect to have carriage of complaint in a proceeding before a court.

(6) For greater certainty, the commission has carriage of a complaint for the purposes of representing the public interest and upholding the principles of the act."

The motion was carried, and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 6

That paragraph 24(b) of Bill 30 be amended by deleting proposed subparagraph 62(3)(a)(ix) and substituting the following: "(ix) to do anything that the adjudicator considers appropriate for the purpose of preventing the same or any similar contravention in the future; and"

The motion was carried and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 7

That clause 25 of Bill 30 be deleted and the following substituted: "25. Subsection 72(1) is repealed and subsection 72(2) is renumbered as section 72."

The motion was carried and the Minister concurred. The bill will be amended accordingly.

Motion 8

That clause 29 of Bill 30 be amended by (a) deleting paragraph (2)(d) and substituting the following: "(d) section 21;" and (b) deleting subclause (3) and substituting the following: "(3) Subsections 11(1) and 23(3) come into force April 1, 2021."

CONCLUSION

During the clause-by-clause review of the bill, committee moved Motion 1 to add "genetic characteristics" as a prohibited ground for discrimination. The Minister declined to concur with this motion, setting out his views in remarks made during the discussion on Motion 1 and providing committee with a letter solicited by the Department of Justice from the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association.

Committee is well aware, through its research and through Canada's experience with Bill S-201, that the insurance industry does not support the prohibition on discrimination based on genetic characteristics. Committee notes that the Minister did not solicit input from organizations supporting the interests of those with genetic diseases.

On the day following the clause-by-clause review, the chair of the standing committee tabled documents supporting the committee's position. The Minister tabled the letter that he provided to the committee from the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association. The committee looks forward to further debate on this matter in House.

For those motions moved during the clause-by-clause review with which he did concur, the committee thanks the Minister of Justice for his concurrence. Committee also thanks the public for their participation in the review process and everyone involved in the review of this bill for their assistance and input.

Following the clause-by-clause review, a motion was carried to report Bill 30, An Act to Amend the Human Rights Act, as amended and reprinted, as ready for consideration in Committee of the Whole.

This concludes the Standing Committee on Government Operations' Review of Bill 30.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Member for Hay River North.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that Committee Report 15-18(3) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. The motion is order. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed?

---Carried

Masi. Reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Nunakput.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a couple of Pages from Mangilaluk School in Tuktoyaktuk, Ms. Natasha Panaktalok and Jessica Pokiak, and also their chaperone, Denise Cockney. Welcome to the legislature. It is nice to see you here listening, especially on the representation of women. I hope that the female MLAs here will give you a tour of the legislature and give you a -- what do you call it? Not a speech, but -- I am lost for words right now, Mr. Speaker. Anyway, welcome to the legislature. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 7, acknowledgements. Colleagues, at this point in time I am going to call for a short break.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Colleagues, we left off from acknowledgements, so we are on to item 8, oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Yesterday he reported on the draft child and family services quality improvement plan by chapter and verse, yet the plan itself has not been made public. How does doing consultation with Indigenous entities at this point provide them with real input into the plan? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Throughout the entire process, the department has been reaching out to staff in the Indigenous governments to make sure we are getting feedback and ideas from them. At the same time, I have also had some correspondence back and forth with a number of the Indigenous governments, and my deputy had an opportunity to meet with the Tlicho Government to provide some presentation on what we have heard, what we have seen, in order to get some feedback from them. We have put together a draft quality improvement plan that has been presented to committee. We have taken committee's input. We have modified and we will be modifying the quality improvement plan. Now that we have it at this stage, we are to take it back to the Indigenous governments to seek once again any additional information, any additional clarity, any additional recommendations that they would like incorporated, and we will incorporate them in. We have always said this is a living document. We want to be able to evolve it as more information becomes available, as more issues become available, but there is definitely opportunity to hear from them, get their input, and make this quality improvement plan even stronger, like we did by working with committee.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thanks to the Minister for that response. In his statement yesterday, the Minster said the plan will address the recommendations in the OAG's report as well as "additional gaps that were found." Will the Minister please describe these additional gaps?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

The quality improvement plan isn't just based on the Auditor General's report. It is based on the recommendations from the Auditor General's report. It is based on our findings from our own internal audits. It is based on input and guidance and recommendations we got from the committee. It will be based on input and guidance that we get from other parties. Throughout the entire process, the document itself has grown far beyond just the document that is responding to the Auditor General's recommendations. That is what I was referring to. As far as other information, the committee yesterday made a number of recommendations on how we could improve our plan. We are incorporating those into the document.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

I am now going to turn to a few specific recommendations that the OAG made that the department agreed to complete by the end of this month. One of the key findings was that the health authority staff maintain minimum contact with clients, which was a failing of the department in the audit. The Minister has said that he has set up quality reviews in this area. What does that mean in terms of actually meeting the contact requirements with the youth and children?

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

I will get that information from the department so we can actually be explicit with the actual numbers. I do want to point out that there are over 80 action items in the quality improvement plan. Those build on the recommendations of the Auditor General, internal findings, and committee recommendations. A number of those actions have been completed. Nine of them are already completed out of 80 action items. Nineteen of them are ongoing, which means we have already made the improvements and now it is a matter of implementing them on an ongoing basis. Thirty-two of them have been initiated. We are doing the work. Fifteen action items have yet to be initiated, but they weren't intended to be initiated right at the beginning. They are timed out over time.

There are four items where we haven't met our timelines. I am happy to provide that information to the Member so that she can see some of the areas where we are struggling. One of those areas was an area I talked about yesterday in Committee of the Whole. It was based on the recommendations provided to include a gender-based analysis. It is going to take a bit more time. As committee said, we want to get this right. We agree. We want to get this right.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. What I am trying to gauge is how the planning and bureaucratic process is going down to the front line and to the clients in order to make substantive changes that the OAG had talked about. Another of the things the OAG report flagged was an increased risk to children in care because perspective guardians hadn't been screened properly. The Minister reported yesterday on changes to screening. My question is: has the front-line staff be trained in these new protocols so that they are in effect now? Thank you.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

The process around guardianship has changed. We put some policies in place around that. Training has occurred for many of the individuals. I can't say that every individual has received that training, but every individual will receive that training. When the deputy minister met with committee in December, he outlined a number of the actions in the Auditor General's report that we have actually take action on and completed. There was a significant list there. Since then, we have even more action items that we have completed. We have committed to providing updates and reports to committee, and we will do so. We will be able to demonstrate what areas we have made progress and what areas we haven't made progress. More importantly, we will be able to provide statistical information and front-line information that shows where improvements are already visible and where files are being monitored appropriately and where there is still work to be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Hay River North.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I spoke about the long-running Growing Together program in Hay River. It is a successful program that, unfortunately, is going to lose a significant amount of funding and, subsequently, will have to make programing cuts because ECE has re-profiled the funding pot that has been funding this organization for 22 years. I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment: since the department did fund these parenting programs for 22 years, is it still the position of the department that parenting programs like Growing Together are valuable and provide a vital service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Most definitely. When we look at the results of our early development instruments, our EDI, it shows that children's vulnerabilities are increasing. The research shows that earlier intervention such as parenting supports will have a positive effect on that. I am totally on board with supporting as many parenting programs as we can. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

That is good to hear. Since the department is supportive of this notion, what pots of money are available to support parenting programs?

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Through the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the major pot of funding for parenting programs would be what is currently known as the Healthy Children Initiative monies that will be changing into the Supporting Child Inclusion and Participation. That is within Education, Culture and Employment. That is where our pots for parenting are. I should also say that Health and Social Services also has the Healthy Family Program that goes throughout the territories.