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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. Right now, in terms of the devolved sites that we had when we first got all of those, we were at about 700. We have worked in terms of going through all of those projects to assess in terms of remediation of any of those contaminated sites. Right now when we look at our devolution agreement, part C, in excepted waste sites, we currently have five excepted waste sites. That's Ptarmigan, Tom, Crestaurum, Burwash, Rodstrom, and Tin Mines. As well, under the devolution agreement, part E, in operating sites, we have a total of seven operating sites. In terms of other waste sites, we have eight other sites that are part of the devolution agreement. We have two staff in this area who oversee all of that and then have an ongoing listing of all of those waste sites, the work completed, and, as well, kind of the next steps. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, of the sites that we have identified and even the ones that you were referring to as waste sites and then those being operating sites, what is the relationship that we have with regard to responsibility of ours, like our responsibility and/or the federal government's responsibility in that regard? What number are they responsible for, if any, that are still a hangover from devolution, or are we jointly responsible? I would like to get a little clarification on that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In looking at all of the waste sites, what we have to do is come up with a determination of whether or not there is still remediation work that needs to be completed and whether we are agreeable to the amount. We work with the federal government to determine those sites. Where we have questions, we go back to them, and we work with our colleagues, in terms of providing technical support, with Lands and ourselves, to be able to come up with whether or not we feel that we have the money that is negotiated for the remediation of these sites. For a lot of them that we review, we have the opportunity to be able to say that we feel that we have enough money to be able to remediate this site, or we don't. If we don't, then we go back, and we negotiate with the federal government to be able to get the appropriate money to clean those up. Again, we do that with our colleagues in the Department of Lands, and if we do the negotiation, then we do it in Executive and Indigenous Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am getting a little bit clearer understanding. The actual on-the-ground investment in remediation of contaminated sites is a negotiated process. Who manages that money? I guess what I am getting to in all of this is that, if we have this many contaminated sites, it is a concern for Indigenous governments, our government, and the federal government. Unless you can explain to me a little bit more about the pot itself, it seems to me that that $319,000 is probably covering off on just more administrative-type stuff. I am just trying to get to where we are really investing in identifying these sites and putting a genuine effort into cleaning them up. How many active contaminated sites are we negotiating investments in right now out of these many that need to be cleaned up? I ask because almost every one of these five waste sites that you named are in my riding. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You are right. In terms of looking at the $319,000, that is really the O and M and the program management to look at all of these files. As we go through and we determine contaminated sites, the other part that this group does is actually look at the coordination and seeing that the remediation done is done per our standards. The funds that actually backstop all of this are in the environmental fund within Finance. That is a $50-million fund that we have access to in order to do remediation projects. For the money that we initially negotiated with the federal government, when we look at contaminated sites, we need to assess how much it is going to cost to remediate. Then our departmental staff will oversee third parties that would come in and do the remediation to our standards. Once that is completed, then that remediation site is then deemed cleaned up. Really, the $319,000 is just the operation and the management of all of these sites.

As I said earlier, we have five accepted waste sites. We have seven operating sites and eight sites that are a part of the devolution agreement that we are currently working on right now. We have a deadline to the end of March to report on where we feel that some of those are in the queue and whether or not we have enough money for them, and we continue to negotiate with the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess, come end of March, after we have done that due diligence, then we are going to possibly see the resources start to hit the ground in terms of investment in cleaning up a number of these identified sites. Is that correct?

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, that is correct. Thanks.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Environment and Natural Resources, environmental protection and waste management, operations expenditures summary, $4,069,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Please turn to activity 3, environmental stewardship and climate change, on pages 76, 77, 78, and 79. Mr. Nakimayak.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On page 77, on climate change, can I just get a little bit of information on the increase? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The increase is an additional $390,000 funding for the development of the Climate Change Strategic Framework. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Nakimayak.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

That is all I have for this one right now. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, first of all, want to say that I appreciate the increase to the climate change line item, but I do have some questions on that. The department has always been very aware of the Auditor General report and has had their own action plan to address a number of those issues. Committee, though, has made it known to ENR in the past, and in particular during business plan reviews, that we would like to see a policy or legislation developed that would clearly establish the department as the lead on climate change issues. Can the department give us some insight on how the diversity of climate change is being managed by our government, and is ENR our lead? What is our direction going to be with regard to policy or legislation, if any, with regard to ENR being the lead on climate change? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.