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Committee Motion 161-18(3): Standing Committee on Social Development Report on the Review of Bill 40: Smoking Control and Reduction Act and Bill 41: Tobacco and Vapor Products Control Act - Government Response to Recommendations, Carried
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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Was there any consideration to using these fees as a cost recovery mechanism and keeping them fixed at a rate that is commensurate to the government's costs on administering land title transfers and the other business of land titles, rather than just increasing the fees? Thank you.

Committee Motion 161-18(3): Standing Committee on Social Development Report on the Review of Bill 40: Smoking Control and Reduction Act and Bill 41: Tobacco and Vapor Products Control Act - Government Response to Recommendations, Carried
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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Louis Sebert Thebacha

Just to clarify, when I said $500,000, that would be the amount per year that we would be getting after the three years, so it would ramp up to that amount, I assume.

I am not sure if I understood the other portion of the question. I was having a bit of trouble listening. Perhaps it could be repeated?

Committee Motion 161-18(3): Standing Committee on Social Development Report on the Review of Bill 40: Smoking Control and Reduction Act and Bill 41: Tobacco and Vapor Products Control Act - Government Response to Recommendations, Carried
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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

Committee Motion 161-18(3): Standing Committee on Social Development Report on the Review of Bill 40: Smoking Control and Reduction Act and Bill 41: Tobacco and Vapor Products Control Act - Government Response to Recommendations, Carried
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Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This fee is a fee, and it is going up because it hasn't gone up in a long time. Was there any consideration given to charging these fees on, basically, a cost recovery basis? It would an exercise where the government would recoup the costs for administering land titles, but it wouldn't be a revenue-generator for government. Was any consideration given to that? Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Louis Sebert Thebacha

These are fees to increase revenue. There are certain fees charged by the government that are cost recovery. Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. The question was whether or not consideration was given to making these cost recovery as opposed to revenue-generating. Minister.

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Louis Sebert Thebacha

They were already not cost recovery; they were revenue. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you. My understanding is, just in one case of another provincial jurisdiction doing this, in British Columbia, when a land transfer tax or fee was implemented in the 1970s, the explicit policy rationale was for income redistribution. Large home purchases would bring about revenue that could be invested in social programs and policies. I guess the contention I have here is this is a fee that is going to disproportionately affect ratepayers in one part of the territory and largely ignore the state of play in other parts of the territory.

I am not opposed to new taxes as long as they are married to very clear policy objectives. Certainly, I am opposed to anything that raises the question of tax fairness. As I said previously in this House when this proposal was raised, I cannot support a fee increase that is going to disproportionally affect my constituents for the sole policy reason of raising more revenue for the government.

I certainly do not take a problem with taxes on, say, tobacco or alcohol that have a clearly measured outcome. I certainly do not take issue with those kinds of considerations, but here we have the majority of land transfers taking place in the City of Yellowknife, and it's a fee increase. It is $.5 million that Yellowknifers will provide in revenue to the GNWT.

We have already had changes to airport fees which amounts to a tax, if nothing less, and other initiatives. What I hear door-to-door from my riding of Kam Lake is that people already are concerned about the cost of living, are not seeing that cost go down, and this is another thing with the coming of other tax initiatives that is increasingly becoming unbearable for my constituents.

I think I have come to the conclusion of my line of questioning, but I am not convinced that this is in the best interests of the people I represent. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Anything further? Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's funny that we've discovered that this is something that hasn't been raised in a long time. I would just like some clarification, maybe, from the Minister as to how long it has been since this fee has been increased. Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.