This is page numbers 1443 - 1480 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to revert this to Ms. Young again. Yes, I hear that. It's just only $5 million. The municipal gap, like she had said. Is $40.4 million. It's a large number. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. We are using all of the processes available to us to try to seek additional funding. I do recognize that we're competing against many other departments, as you're aware, for limited funding. As you know from the past government, we did struggle to even keep pace with the gap. If we can achieve $5 million that's a significant accomplishment compared to what we have done, although there is a long way to go. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, deputy minister. Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I guess I'll try to find a diplomatic way to say this. When I ask a political question, I'd like to get a political answer from the Minister. I appreciate that her staff work very hard. I appreciate all the work that they do, but that was really more of a political question. I'm worried though. With inflation and so on, we're probably still losing ground at this rate. If we could only get an increase of $5 million in the gap by the end of this Assembly, I think we may still be losing ground. I'm already on the public record saying I'm going to find it very difficult to support the capital estimates without an increase in funding to our community governments. That's a political statement. I don't expect an answer. We just can't continue to underfund our community governments and expect that our residents are going to have the quality of life that people deserve. Not quite sure what else I can say at this point, Madam Chair. Cabinet needs to find more money to put into the capital estimates to support our community governments. Thanks, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Member for Great Slave.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to come back to the work done by the association of communities around determining the gap and such. I know at one point that they had done some work around climate change on infrastructure. I'm just curious: there was some debate at the time, put it that way, with some of the professional associations that as to the methodology maybe or the numbers that were arrived at. I'm wondering how much that has factored in that specific study or the climate change impacts on infrastructure to your estimates here for the gap?

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

[Microphone turned off] ...Madam Chair. I recognize that we do have climate changes throughout our territory. We have receding riverbanks and deteriorating shorelines, and this is federal funding approach that we would be working with the communities to submit additional requests for funding. I just cannot remember the name of the funding program. I'll just have Ms. Young elaborate on the response. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. For the calculation of the funding amounts in gap, this study that you're referencing didn't factor directly into it. It was replacement costs of infrastructure within categories that was calculated into it. Although, as the Minister said, we're using the other programs, such as the Natural Disaster Mitigation Program and other tools such as that to address the climate change parts of the infrastructure challenges that we're facing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you deputy minister. Member for Great Slave.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you. I would just like to clarify. You're saying is that, while you didn't use that specific study for that amount, you are addressing the climate change issues by looking to other pots of funding, not this gap funding? She's nodding yes, so I don't need an answer.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

I'm just going to get it for the record. Deputy Minister Young, did you want to answer that on record? Thank you.

Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that is correct. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, deputy minister. Member for Great Slave.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Can the Minister explain to me how she collaborates with the communities in order to hear what their needs are? I just want to reiterate what my colleague was saying, that I do agree, as well, with the sort of devolution of infrastructure to the communities. I'd just like the Minister to maybe elaborate a little bit further on that. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The collaboration, at the community level, we do have the consultation that happens between our office and the municipalities. When this study was done -- I would like Ms. Young to just elaborate on that a little bit. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think the exercise we used for the funding gap was indicative of pretty much everything we do with communities. As MLA O'Reilly mentioned, we had, I believe it was 17 members of community governments, both elected and staff, sit on a committee on the funding gap. Any initiative that we do, whether it's review of funding policies, review of legislation, negotiating a new federal agreement and trying to understand where to put the priorities for it, any of these kinds of things, we do engage either at the elected level through the association of communities or through the staff level as what's called the local government administrators, to get both the staff and the elected official perspective on whatever it is that we are dealing with. Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Member for Great Slave.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

I had a question. It just went out of my head, so I think that is it. If not, I will just send it over to the Minister later. Thank you.

The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Member for Kam Lake.