This is page numbers 1523 - 1562 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Jenkins

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Inuvik wind project, that is another key initiative under our 2030 Energy Strategy. We've been in the regulatory process for a few years, the Member is correct. The recent ruling from the Gwich'in Land and Water Board on the eligibility to occupy land, the board did rule that the GNWT is eligible to occupy the land for this project and for this purpose. Madam Chair, we will continue on through the regulatory process, and that is an opportunity for parties to raise concerns with the turbine itself and environmental concerns throughout the process. We respect that process. We will work through that process, and we look forward to the discussions with all the parties. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Jenkins. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Where I'm going to go with this is: I am very worried that this project is going to get referred to an environmental assessment. There was no reason whatsoever that that had to happen, had our government actually properly consulted and worked with the Gwich'in Government in relation to this project. I also don't think it's a great idea where GNWT willy-nilly decides that it can reallocate pieces of land that have been designated for certain purposes for other purposes. You can't take stuff out of a reindeer-grazing reserve and unilaterally decide you're going to change it to do something else. Are we going to follow our own laws, or not? If you are going to change the law in that region, you need to consult the Indigenous governments, as well.

This is a head's up for the Minister: with other infrastructure projects, including this one, we should not be willy-nilly deciding that we're going to change areas that are set out in regulations and unilaterally decide you're going to change it to something else. I'd like to get an explanation as to why we think we have the ability to change something that is a reindeer-grazing reserve to a wind turbine without going through due process, changing the regulations, and consulting the appropriate Indigenous government? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Inuvik wind project, again, is one of our key initiatives, so that is something that we are working toward. We have been waiting for the Gwich'in Land and Water Board to be able to give a ruling, and we are quite excited about the ruling that was done today. We continue to engage with communities and Indigenous organizations, so we can start to advance the project and ensure that participation and partnership in the development of any energy solutions here in the territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I'm just going to read one line, one line, from the most recent ruling that came out yesterday: "The Gwich'in Land and Water Board suggests that the GNWT is best placed to enforce its own legislation." That includes, this is me editorializing, the reindeer-grazing reserve. You cannot just unilaterally decide that you are going to change something that is designated for a certain purpose under a regulation and decide that you are going to use it for something else without changing the regulation itself. That is against the law, and we are breaking our own laws. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. I'll take that as a comment. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to go to fuel storage capacity with respect to Hay River. I understand why we are looking at this, but the question I have is: why is the government doing this when we actually have a private sector in Hay River that could possibly handle it? Even in Enterprise, there is an industrial yard going in there, which I understand they have rail car service there and they may have extra or be looking at fuel storage there. I am just wondering if the government has actually talked to that proponent and really looked at this issue because it's going to add environmental liability to the government, depending where these tanks are. I suspect that they are probably going to be in the old town, on the island of Hay River, close to water sources. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The MTS, the department, is looking and studying and considering the construction of a buffer fuel storage capacity at the Hay River marine terminal, so that is kind of where we are at now and also looking at the needs of the people in Hay River. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Madam Chair, my concern is that we are turning MTS, by the looks of it, into almost a private-sector type business, competing against private sector. I would like the government to reconsider this and gauge the private sector to see if there is anybody who can provide that service. I understand that there are funds made available, supposedly by federal government, with some costs provided by the territorial government, as well. I would just like to know what those numbers are. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I hear the Member's concern about working with the private sector, and if that is an option for the department, then, absolutely, that is something we can look at. In terms of the number, I am going to send this to Mr. Jenkins, looking for the costs. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Jenkins.

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Jenkins

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the question. It's a total of $21.5 million federal and $7.5 million GNWT. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. Those are the numbers I have, as well. I am pleased to hear that the Minister will consider talking to private sector and try to include them in on this, as well. The next thing I want to go to here is the transmission line, the Fort Providence transmission line. I would ask the Minister: where is that line going to start, and where is it going to end? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am going to get Mr. Jenkins to provide this information.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Jenkins.

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Jenkins

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Fort Providence T-line will use surplus power available in the existing Taltson system. That will virtually eliminate the use of diesel for electrical generation in the communities of Fort Providence, Kakisa, and Dory Point, except for emergency backup. There will be a need still for diesel emergency backup. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Jenkins. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Knowing that Northland Utilities actually provides the power to Kakisa and to Fort Providence, what involvement will they have in that line, or is this line going to be part of the potential takeover when we talk about the Hay River franchise? Are we also looking at Kakisa's and Fort Providence's potential takeover by the Power Corporation? Thank you, Madam Chair.