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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that, and I look forward to continuing the lobbying efforts. I, myself, have been reaching out to Indigenous governments, and I hope that we can see things like NWT Days get going again. I think that there has been challenge over the years to, "Why are we sending all these politicians to Ottawa?" The reality is that those meetings result in more funding for our people.

I would like to switch gears here. The GNWT under this department has a 2012 Respect, Recognition, and Responsibility policy. It's a great policy that commits our government to the inherent right of Indigenous people to self-govern. What I think has kind of happened is that there is a disconnect between our policies, what we are saying, and what is actually happening at the table. I don't know whether to call you the Premier or the Minister of Executive and Indigenous Affairs, but Madam Chair, would the Premier commit to bringing forward our Respect, Recognition, and Responsibility policy to the Cabinet table and getting it out there that this government is committed to the inherent right of Indigenous people to self-govern?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I have no problem bringing forward the policy on Respect, Recognition, and Responsibility to Cabinet to share with them. I will give direction to Cabinet to read that, to the deputy ministers, as well, to read that. However, I want to qualify that that will actually be reviewed as we begin the UNDRIP work, as well. That is not something that is off the table, and it is not something that is written in stone at this time. It will be part of the process as we look at UNDRIP. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Premier had mentioned just previously that she wanted to make sure that she painted the sky the right colour. Well, I want to see it green: money. Over the last few days, we have been talking about co-investment dollars. There is a pot of money out there, and we seem to be having trouble getting hold of it. I guess what I would like to ask the Premier is, with our person in Ottawa, if that person could work on that issue for us, as well? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just had to get clarification with my department to make sure that the co-investment fund is only when we speak about the housing. My understanding is that it is. That is a policy that will have to be defined within the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. However, once that is defined, all needs, including that, will be brought forward to the federal government. It is important that we keep reinstating our needs, reinstating how we are working better with Indigenous and community governments and the NGO sector, as we move forward. In my first engagements with all federal Ministers and our Prime Minister, they were totally ecstatic that this government is changing the way that we are doing business, that we are actually looking at partnerships, and that is something that I will carry forward for the whole of my term. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I hope that all that excitement turns into dollars for us, so that we can get some programs and help the people of the NWT. I just want to turn to the friendship centres, I guess, and NGOs. The Premier talked previously about how we need to make sure that the dollars we are spending are providing a quality service and that there is accountability there. Well, I think we have to balance that, as well, with what we are requiring for accountability, because we don't want these NGOs to get bogged down in red tape.

To me, I would look at it and I think, "Well, if we got their financial statements at the end of the year and see, kind of, what they spend their money," that would, in most instances, suffice. For instance, in Hay River, I think that friendship centre brings in, maybe, $130,000 from the feds for maintenance of the building, operations, and for one staff person. That is $130,000 for about a 4,000-square-foot building. Then they have another five staff, which is basically paid for by programs. Really, when you look at it, we have six, seven jobs there, and then there are some part-time jobs there for very little money. They are working within tight budgets and delivering some fantastic programs for the community. The question I have is: when we are talking about the NWT friendship centres, I am wondering, this goes for all the NGOs we are talking about that have "NWT" in front of them, are we talking NWT friendship centres, or are we talking Yellowknife friendship centres? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. We are talking NWT-wide friendship centres. Yellowknife, I didn't even think we had one, but we do have one, the Tree of Peace here. We are talking right across the board. When we talk about measurable outcomes, I will expand on that, as well. I am not okay with just giving even $100,000 to people and saying, "There you go. Give me your financial statement," but I also think that measurable outcomes don't have to be a 50-page document. It can be as simple as you keep your door open from 9:00 to 5:00, Monday to Friday, and you provide services to the public. There has to be something. I have heard stories where organizations take money and then they close their doors or they open when they want. That is not what we want to see. We are committed to breaking down our red tape. It doesn't have to be a 50-page document when we're talking about measurable outcomes. It can be very simple. This is public money, so there should be some qualifiers when we give money out the door. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you for that answer. I agree. There always has to be some accountability, I think just the degree of it and what our expectations are. Because we can send a message at this level, but the bureaucracy then takes it and sometimes it gets skewed. I have a problem with the accountability part. As long as we don't get carried away and we are taking away from the people who are the end users at the end of the day.

I just have a comment with respect to negotiations in the claims process. People, two elections ago, they voted for change. They got it, and they weren't too happy. This year, again, they voted for change. We know negotiations are ongoing. We know things are slowly moving ahead. People want to see something different. They want some fresh ideas. How can we speed this up, or can we even speed it up, or is it just going to continue to stay bogged down with respect to bureaucracy and indecision? I have hope and belief that this government will find a way to make change and to work with Indigenous governments in a positive manner to move ahead. If we don't, this territory is in trouble. Looking back, it is a comment. Thank you, Madam Chair. That is all I have.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. I will take that as a comment. Are there any further questions for Indigenous and intergovernmental affairs? Seeing no further questions, please turn to page 122. Executive and Indigenous Affairs, Indigenous and intergovernmental affairs, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $7,727,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Members. Please return now to the departmental summary on page 105. Executive and Indigenous Affairs, operations expenditures, total department, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $22,886,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Does committee agree that consideration of the Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs is complete?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister, and thank you to your witnesses for appearing before us. Sergeant-at-Arms, you may escort the witnesses out of the Chamber. Committee, we will take a five-minute break.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Committee, we will call this meeting back to order. We will now consider the Legislative Assembly. Does the Speaker have any opening remarks?

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Yes, I do, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. I am pleased to present the 2020-2021 Main Estimates for the Legislative Assembly. The Legislative Assembly is seeking an operations expenditures appropriation of $22,720,000 for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. This is an increase of $277,000, or a 1.23 percent increase, in funding from the 2019-2020 Main Estimates.

This budget represents the important work we will undertake during the upcoming fiscal year. The proposed funding will be used to advance strategic initiatives and address forced-growth matters. These are:

  • additional staff resources for our statutory offices to meet increasing demands;
  • additional funding for the Office of the Clerk for staff resources and communication initiatives; and
  • to address Members' compensation and allowances based on the consumer price index.

The Legislative Assembly remains committed to supporting the good work of our statutory offices. With new legislation coming into force and better public awareness, our statutory offices are experiencing increasing and more complex caseloads. The Legislative Assembly is keenly aware of the importance of these offices having the resources needed to meet these demands.

Due to recent amendments to the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner will be required to take on additional responsibilities and oversight obligation. It will change from a body with recommendation-making power only to an adjudicative role with authority to issue binding orders where the act applies. The increase in compensation to the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner reflects these increased responsibilities.

The Ombud Act was passed during the 18th Assembly after more than two decades of calls by Northerners for the creation of a parliamentary Ombud office. On November 18, 2019, the NWT Office of the Ombud officially opened in Hay River. Setting up this office outside of Yellowknife sends a strong signal that this office is for the whole territory and further helps and promotes decentralization. The office consists of a team of three: the Ombud, an intake officer, and an early resolution officer.

Madam Chair, the Special Committee on Transition Matters in the 18th Assembly recommended that additional resources be provided to support the important work of our committees, specifically noting the need for an additional committee clerk, legislative research advisor, and communication support. The Office of the Clerk operations expenditures has been increased to account for these three new positions.

In closing, I want to thank all Members, my colleagues from the Board of Management, and the Assembly staff for their contributions and efforts in working towards these main estimates. Thank you, Madam Chair. This concludes my opening remarks, and I look forward to answering any questions that Members may have. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Speaker wish to bring any witnesses into the House?

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Yes, I do. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witness in. Mr. Speaker, would you please introduce your witnesses?