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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. The last 13 years of my life, I have been a woman in a non-traditional role, and I now am in charge of a department that is full of those exact people. That is the profession that I have been trying to change, myself, personally, for many years, so I am well aware of that. Unfortunately, a lot of these technical positions are traditionally male-dominated positions. We have problems with getting Indigenous people into sciences, and it's not from a lack of capacity or ability. It is a lack of our education system. This is all the conversation we are having around, and I am not trying to throw the ECE Minister under the bus. We are all new. I do not hold him responsible for that.

However, this is a problem that is very systemic to the Northwest Territories and a conversation that I have had since the first day I got up here: if we want to have a successful North, we need to have Northerners making the decisions and doing the work, and that includes in the technical and the skilled sets, too, not just the labour. All I can say is, again, this is a huge, I don't want to call it a pet, but it's a huge focus of me and why I'm sitting in this seat, and I can tell you that those guys sitting over there are going to be hearing it for the next three years about getting rid of that old boy's club and changing that mentality. Sorry, Joe. All I can say is commit to you that it is going to be ongoing. I will actually task the department right now re: coming back to the Member with what are they doing to increase diversification in the department. Let's make it more politically correct. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I wasn't pleased about the comment you made about the Minister of ECE.

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Anyway, one thing that is important, though, is service. One thing that I've noticed the government lacking is that we tend to forget that we're there to provide a service to the people of the NWT and not the other way around. I'm hoping to see that change over the term of this Assembly. I'm just wondering: how do you see that? How do you see us providing that service and how can we change it so that we're there to help them solve problems and assist them in building capacity, assisting them, getting contracts, and that type of thing? You can comment. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to hand this over to Dr. Dragon. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think one of the reflections that I can give to committee in coming into a large department like Infrastructure, first of all, very much regionally based. The department is, I think, 53 or 54 percent regionally based in terms of positions. A lot of the money that we have in Infrastructure is regionally based funding. I think it's a very positive picture, there. I think one of the big reflections that I have is that, within Infrastructure, we have a lot of really dedicated employees that continue to do an exceptional job at their specific area. However, we're not strong on communications. It's one of the big things that I'm looking at in the department, how do we create more opportunities to see what the department is doing.

Again, as the Minister was mentioning, we have a lot of very specific professions. We have engineers; we have very specific tradespeople. We're looking at training programs so that we increase the Indigenous representation within our workforce, but right now, again, overall workplace representation within Infrastructure and Indigenous-Aboriginal is 45.2 percent. It's a strong one in terms of the numbers and, if you talk about in terms of our number of employees, total, we get close to, if you talk about all the revolving funds and everything, we're at about 600 employees. That's a lot of Indigenous-Aboriginals that we're putting into a lot of these categories.

The last thing I'll say is, when we're bringing in summer students, on average, we're bringing in about 60 summer students. This year is a little lower just because of COVID, but what we're seeing now is a representation that's more of a 50-50 in terms of women and men, which is a very strong, positive change. In terms of the old boys' club, I'm not sure if it's an old boys' club or just a lot of people trying to do really good work. I'll leave it at that. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Dr. Dragon. I'm just going to give it to the Minister to have just one last comment and then we're going to move on.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

My apologies, I remembered what I was going to say. One of the things I've had a conversation with Joe about is that I would like to see some of the pathfinder-type service that we do in ITI start up in Infrastructure. I think we can learn some lessons. ITI does a very good pathfinding program, particularly around our mineral and resource sector. I'm going to look to have Dr. Dragon start implementing that. I also told him that, even if it's painful, people have to start answering their emails, because this has actually been something I have had from a lot of people, that a lot of Infrastructure is not great at answering emails. That is a directive that I have given to Joe and Joe has given to his staff. If they don't want to answer emails because email conversations are becoming adversarial, then they can escalate that to us in management and we will take that role on, because I'm not going to subject employees to that. However, they can't just ignore the situation and that is a conversation we have been having. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. All right, we will now turn to page 231, Infrastructure, corporate management, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $11,263,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. We will move on to programs and services, beginning on page 234, with information on pages up to 238. Questions? Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

One answer I think that is going to probably have a big bearing on a lot of other departments and even Infrastructure, I notice here, is fuel services. One of the little bit of bright light and good news that we got through all this is the effect of the market forces on fuel prices. We've seen that go down quite a bit. Right now, we're going to be looking at delivering fuel to our isolated communities. It affects places like Lutselk'e right up to Nunakput, all that area up the river. It affects GNWT vehicles right across the board. So many places this will affect. My quick question is: have these forecasts been adjusted for new fuel prices as they are right now because of the low fuel prices? Masi cho.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. No, because, as mentioned before, this is the snapshot pre-COVID. It hasn't been adjusted at this point. I think you could expect that you would see an adjustment in next year's estimates based on COVID. Further to that, if you would like to have a further conversation on the fuel services, I would commit to offering my department for that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

I do know that, also, we did have some online conversations about the fuel prices in Lutselk'e. I know that there was a point of contention, I guess, with the community, that their prices were so high like everybody else in the North and pay the lower price, and there are a lot of factors that go into that, and I know that they get fuel delivered once a year. Again, I just want to see if we get some commitment from the Minister and the department that we can see favourable change to these prices in the near future, I guess. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we buy at market, we sell at market, so you will see that change. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Nothing further.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Are there other questions under the programs and services? Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I'm looking at page 236, the contributions, Low Carbon Economy Leadership Fund. There was an amount for last year for active forestry carbon sequestration, $414,000. What did we actually get for that money? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. This one I will ask Dr. Dragon to answer, please.